Topic started by bb (@ 220.127.116.11) on Tue Feb 20 03:21:22 EST 2001.
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- Old responses
- From: curses (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Tue May 13 12:09:59 EDT 2003
er.. time to change the name of the poll to "this year's poll". come on Admin. It's been way to loong!
- From: :) (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Tue May 13 14:31:03 EDT 2003
Thanks for that nice story.
- From: KITKAT (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Tue May 13 17:06:56 EDT 2003
Great vault of info neenga.
- From: vengayam (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Tue May 13 23:16:19 EDT 2003
thanks for the great song. close your eyes and you can feel the rustle of the gentle breeze as it blows thro the paddy fields. The lyrics, the excellent rendition by PS & TMS make it a memorable song. Personally this is better than the super hit "vizhiye". Gramiya mannamvisum ippattu melisai mannarin perumayai parai saatrugirathu!
saravanan!, MGR helping people ! it was more MGR utilising people. Chandrababu & SA Asokan BA may not agree with what you say. Jai shankar yes but MGR :-)
- From: bb (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Tue May 13 23:38:24 EDT 2003
Song of the Day: paduththaaL puraNdaaL urakkamillai from vaNdikkaaran magan.
- A rare song from MSV, sung by SPB. I heard it for the first time today, and I am sure not many have heard of this song. SPB caresses this song, crooning softly, in this song about the longings of a girl. Venkat, this is a song that should definitely go in your list of old and good SPB songs.
- Saravanan wrote this in VJ thread:
MGR had become the Chief Minister of TN the previous year and the DMK party had received the worst drubbing in its history. Kalaignar wished to mould his son Muthu into a celluloid hero in the lines of MGR, but Muthu’s film career was short-lived, and by 1978, he was all but forgotten. It was in this juncture that Kalaignar joined hands with ‘Makkal Kalaignar’ Jaishankar to make ‘Vandikkaaran Magan’. The film was based on CN Annadurai’s story and had fiery dialogues by Kalaignar. The unexpected success of this film emboldened this partnership to try their luck again in the next year, but ‘Aadu Paambey’ sank without a trace. However, Jaishankar was projected as a hero with DMK leanings in a time when MGR was the monarch of all he surveyed in TN. It is quite another story that some years later Jaishankar denied this by stating that neither did anyone from DMK invite him to join the party, nor did he evince any interest in doing so!
Vandikkaran Magan had in its lead the hit pair of the 70s- Jaishankar and Jayachitra. How many films had these two acted together! Petite Jayachitra, with her mischief-filled eyes, was the perfect foil for the sober Jai and there was an undeniable chemistry on screen between them. However, by 1978 the magic had worn thin. Jai’s swashbuckling image was a distant memory and Jayachitra had bought the one-way ticket to ‘Gundoor’. 1978 marked the beginning of the end of the road for her. Her 100th film-Nayakkar Magal was released in 1982 after years in the making. She returned to do supporting roles in Lakshmi Vandhachu-1986 and Paruva Ragam-1987. Her performances in both Agninakshatiram-1988 and Puthu Puthu Arthangal-1989 won acclaim. But, not being satisfied with this, she produced Pudhiya Ragam-1991, with herself as the heroine, and her son-in-law of PPA-Rahman as her hero! The outraged public treated the film with the contempt it richly deserved.
Jayachitra made some negligible forays into politics by becoming a member of the Congress party.
- The female singer is Ramola.
- Singers siriththa paadalgaL :) http://www.tfmpage.com/forum/2837.20298.06.26.29.html
- From: Udhaya (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Wed May 14 03:48:39 EDT 2003
"Paduthaal purandaal" was way too risque for Vivithbarathi and other local stations back then. It ranks up there with "idhazhae idhazhae thaen vendum", "theeraatha vilayaattup pillai(Nettrikkann)", "eththanai azhagu kottikidakkuthu", and "naalupakkam vaedarundu" for steamy lyrics.
Vandikkaaran Magan was an unfinished story by Annaa which was completed (or downgraded depending on your perspective) by MK with many pointed digs at MGR's rule. Annaa had as much to do with it as Kubrick did with A.I. The movie was huge, one of Jai's biggest hits. If memory serves me right, this movie had another awesome SPB duet, "Maedayil aadidum melliya poongaatrae."
- From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Wed May 14 04:35:25 EDT 2003
I am late by one full day! After MGR started his ADMK, his number of films per year had come down drastically! The first to get released was Maniyan's 'idhaya veeNai', a non- controversial film. Then came his magnum opus ' U. Su. Vaa.' followed by an also- ran 'pattikkaattup ponnaiyaa'. Like today's 'Baabaa', the next film 'nERRu inRu naaLai' was rumoured to give a clear hint of his political directions, loaded with punch in dialogues. It also had a strong political song 'thambee, naan padichchEn kaanchiyilE nERRu..' On a Thursday night, a day before its release, many theatres where it was to be released, had their screens torn/ damaged by some fans, allegedly anti ADMK. This delayed the screening mildly, but the film was a damp squib. Then came Sridhar's 'urimaik kural' and it was received smoothly by everybody, including his political opponents! The secret was in the story! SV Sahasranaamam, the elder brother, insists on partition, which is stoutly resisted by MGR, advocating reconciliation/patch up! (Remember 'oru thaai vayiRRil piRantha udan piRappil oru pirivu vanthaal , pinbu uRavu varum!?)
From this film onward, the Telugu style vEshti became MGR's standard outfit, perhaps because it was very convenient in fight sequences!
A friend of mine used to say that a friend of his took loan from a bank for starting a small scale industry, but silently invested in distribution of 'urimaikkural' for Rs 3 lakhs in some territory in TN and reaped a windfall! He subsequently pleaded successfully with the Bank that his schemes had gone haywire and was willing to repay with penal interest!!!!
- From: bb (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Wed May 14 09:31:02 EDT 2003
naalu pakkam vEdaruNdu had steamy lyrics? I should listen to that again :--)
Also, interesting use of mirudhangam by MSV in "paduththaaL puraNdaaL".
- From: Thamizhan (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Wed May 14 10:35:26 EDT 2003
too much of praise loads the head... vara vara mamiyaar... mannikkavum... 'vala vala' maamiyaar thimir pidithu kozhuthu ponaar...
aanavam azhivai kodukkum
- From: Raj (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Wed May 14 11:14:06 EDT 2003
You still have comprehension problems? That was BB posting a old post of Saravanan. Dont know what you have got against him but please, can you keep your prejudices and personal attacks to yourself? Thanks. We have a decent thread going with some interesting info after a long time.
Saravanan, hope you are not put off by this entity.
BTW, thamizhan, if you are the same entity who defaced a few threads a couple of years ago, well, I repeat the advice proferred then to you .. Try Prozac..better still.. Try Cyanide.
- From: :) (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Wed May 14 11:23:39 EDT 2003
You are a fountain of information. Please continue to give us all the background info.
- From: other_side (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Wed May 14 12:45:06 EDT 2003
Saravanan, please accept.Either you are "Film News Anandhan" or some how related to him...
Cinema Virumbi your posting is also great....
good work guys .. keep it up :)
- From: venkat (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Wed May 14 13:56:55 EDT 2003
balaji, This song "will not" go into my list of SPB oldies :))!! Reason being this is post-IR entry. My vintage SPB list is nearing the beta stage and I will mail to you soon.
SPB did it much better in the Telugu version. Another similar song of that era is "yeh, kaathal bOthai, kaNNIl yErak kaayum veNNIlaa..."
Ramola is definitely non-descript. It invokes the image of one of those candies from Dabur that is recommended for indigestion :).
Yes, quite interesting use of mridhangam. That period of MSV has several such songs where he used mridhangam to distinctive effects (it all started from apoorva raagankaL).
- From: sriram (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Wed May 14 15:23:46 EDT 2003
coincidentally, today morning I was listening to "Kelviyin Nayagane". I was thinking about the extensive use of mridangam in that song. in fact an entire interlude is a thani Avartanam.
- From: venkat (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Wed May 14 16:02:05 EDT 2003
Sriram, apporva raagankal trend contined for a long time, esp. in manmathaleelai (hello, my dear wrong number) until the breakpoint agni saatchi. MSV also had a very good Tabla player in Prasad and used him extensively in many songs.
- From: mythila (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Wed May 14 17:21:53 EDT 2003
MSV has also used forceful Mridhangam interludes in film Noolveli in the song 'veenai sirippu aasai azhaippu', sung by SPB and VJ
- From: bb (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Thu May 15 03:46:44 EDT 2003
Song of the Day: chiththirappoo sElai from pudhu seruppu kadikkum.
- A different, off-beat song by SPB. MD is M.B.Srinivasan, lyrics by Jayakanthan. This is a slow, melancholic song.
- The film never got released.
- Saravanan writes this on Jayakanthan in the VJ thread:
There is such a writer in our own days-Jayakanthan (birth 24.4.1934)- He is a glittering star in the firmament of Tamil literature. A trendsetter in many ways, he was the natural successor of Pudumaipithan and will forever remain the role model for all future writers.
His forays into the film world have been limited, but he has left an indelible mark and brought a refreshing whiff of realism into the melodramatic portals of Kodambakkam.
His first film Unnai Pol Oruvan-1965 fetched the President’s Award. His next was Yaarukkaga Azhudhaan-1966, which sank without a trace.
Surprisingly, A Bhimsingh, the Mughal of Melodrama in the 60s, did a volte-face in the 70s and thought it fit to film Jayakanthan’s novel ‘Sila Nerangalil Sila manithargal’. He expressed profound admiration for JK’s thorough professional approach and brilliant screenplay. The Bhimsingh-JK collaboration brought one more offbeat venture- ‘Oru Nadigai Nadagam Paarkiraal’- 1978. JK’s ‘Pudhu seruppu Kadikkum’ never saw the light of the day, which fate was shared by ‘Ethanai konam ethanai paarvai’.
Sila Nerangalil Sila Manidhargal was first published as a novel ( Meenakshi Puthaga Nilayam, Madurai-June 1970). It won the Sahitya Academy award in 1972.
I think Lakshmi got the ‘Urvashi’ award for her superbly realistic portrayal of Ganga, the chief protagonist of the tale.
However, the newly elected TN Govt.,which revived the State Awards, didn’t seem to be too enthusiastic about the film. See the award winners for 1977-78: 1st Best Film: 16 Vayathiniley, 2nd Best Film: Madhurageetham, 3rd Best Film: Balapareetchai!
And, with MGR at the helm, no prizes for guessing who bagged the best actress award- of course, it was Latha for ‘Maduraiyai meeta Sundarapandian’ (which came out in 1978).
Srividya got the Special award for ‘Madura Geetham’. 16 Vayathiniley made a clean sweep- with SJ, IR,Kamal and Bharathiraja collecting honours in the respective categories.
The only consolation for the film SNSM was the Award for the best kadhasiriyar to JK.
JK has written a handful of film songs, and all of them are memorable:
Thenankeetru oonjalile (Paadhai theriyudhu paar- PBS-SJ), Azhudha kanneerum paalaagumaa (Paadhai theriyudhu paar-PS), Kandathai sollugiren (SNSM-MSV), Veru idam thedi(SNSM-VJ), Nadigai paarkkum nadagam (ONNP-Jolly Abraham-BSS), Ethanai malargal (ONNP-TMS-VJ), Chithirappoo selai (Pudhu seruppu kadikkum-SPB), Udal enbaar (Pudhu seruppu kadikkum-VJ), Pugazh serkkum (Ethanai konam Ethanai paarvai-MVD), Enna Vithiyaasam (EKEP-MVD,GA) and Ethanai konam (EKEP-MVD).
- veLiyE varaadha paadalgaL: http://www.tfmpage.com/forum/11713.19:37:15.html
- From: bb (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Thu May 15 04:18:40 EDT 2003
Saravanan has also discussed this film in the VJ thread again recently here: http://tfmpage.com/forum/15590.6859.02.29.28.html
This includes a detailed Bio on M.B.Srinivasan. I quote:
"Rajaram Theatres’ Pudhu Cheruppu Kadikkum was based on a short story by Jayakanthan. The story was written in 1971, and came out as part of a collection of short stories, published by Meenakshi Puthaga Nilayam, Madurai.
The story revolves around three characters- Nandagopal, Girija and Vatsala. Nandagopal enjoys his bachelorhood till he is 30 years old. He harbours bitter memories of his father physically torturing his mother day after day, and thus he develops an aversion towards marriage. He meets Girija, who works as a sales girl and also does various odd jobs to eke out a meager living. He is attracted to her cheerful disposition and caring ways. One day, when seeing her hungry state, he treats her to a square meal and buys groceries for her. She suggests that he move in with her, and pay her whatever he was paying his mess. He readily falls in with the scheme, and their friendship assumes new dimensions. He tells her of his mother’s constant demands that he get married. Girija encourages him to take the step. He tells her of his cousin Vatsala who is very pretty. Girija masks her disappointment, and congratulates him on his decision. When the wedding day looms near, she suggests that he move out, as it would not be appropriate for them to share the same roof any more. There is a hint of tears in her eyes as she tells this--
Nandagopal finds marital life not at all what he had bargained for. Vatsala and he rarely see eye to eye, and arguments, unpleasantness and humiliations become a daily affair. One night, after some bitter exchanges, he suddenly remembers wistfully his carefree days with Girija. He takes a sudden decision to pay her a visit, even at that unearthly hour. Girija is surprised at his sudden visit, but gives him a warm welcome. To her eager queries on his married life, he responds by listing the complaints he had against Vatsala, and adds that he is suffering for the callous way in which he had treated Girija—
She gently admonishes him, and explains to him how Vtasala must have felt to leave all that is familiar and dear to her, and come to a strange place and that even the male species may appear strange to her. Girija adds that Nandagopal was ‘experienced’ in the ways of women (in a wry refrence to their living together), and she too was ‘trained’ in the ways of men- but men do not want “trained” wives ! Nandagopal understands the truth. Presently, seeing that her foot is injured, tenderly enquires about it. She replies that she had bought a new pair of slippers, and was suffering from acute ‘shoe bite’ Then come her punch lines “A new pair of slippers necessarily hurts, but would that make anyone go in for an old pair”?!!! She smiles as she says this-----he breaks down—
What a moving, stark story- I believe Jayakanthan had expanded it into full-length evocative black & white film---but could no find no distributors. I can only sigh in helpless frustration, when I realize that Jagan Mohini ran to packed houses in the same year in which a masterpiece like Puthu Cheruppu Kadikkum slept in the cans— "
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