Topic started by no jalra (@ 184.108.40.206) on Sat Dec 8 04:32:39 EST 2001.
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This is a list of songs which i feel cannot be beaten by any other song in tamil film music.
all these songs are selected not on popularity but by thier individual charecteristics.
it so happened all these songs r composed by the maestro ilaiyaraaja.
these 12 songs are unbeatable and will withstand time in my opinion .
my idea is to collect many songs like these of different music directors and finally compile a top twenty unbeatable song list of tamil film music.
if DFrs like this idea please contribute ur own list with explanations that will help everyone to decide on the final twenty.
1.'thendral vanthu theendum pothu'-avatharam. this is the best low pitch song ever recorded in tamil film music.though earlier raaja has composed many low pitched master pieces like 'metti oli katrodu''punnagaiyil minsaram' this song stands out because of its mood creation and orchestration.
2.'en kanmani ilam kadali'-chittu kuruvi.this song has beautifuly recorded in those days when technology has not reached tfm.it has got counter point flavour like 'poomalaye thol sera va' but it beats it because of its simplicity.no one so far have attempted this style of song. and no one will ever.
3.'manitha manitha '-kan sivanthal man sivakkum.this the only anthem for working class in tfm.the tune itself speaks a lot.no unnecesary stress on words like 'ttthhhai maaaaaneyyy vannnakkkkam'.composed in western classical style it has got universal feel.
4.'thenna marathula thendral adikkuthu'-lakshmi.very simple folk tune. the catch point is the whole song is in one line tune.just pitch variations. a unrecoganised gem of raaja.
5.'raja rajadhi rajan intha raja'-agni natchathram.this song's highlight is its four part vocal.usually different singers sing the four parts in a song.but if u notice carefully you will find all the four parts are sung by raaja himself.raaja always experiment with voices. 'vanthal vanthal rajakumari' is alsocomposed in the same lines but it was a blend of two voices. and in mayabazaar a whole song is compsed in vocals without any musical instrument,but 'rajathi raja' is unbeatable.
6.'amma endralaikkatha uyirilaye'-mannan.in m.s.v-m.g.r days mother is symbolised as someone who gives courage and guidenece.there was no emotinal feeling in thier songs. when raaja came he mixed with mother sentiment. though he has composed innumarable songs on mother this song stands out because of its universality.it neither a 'grammthu aatha' nor a 'city mummy'. the song just the feel of mother.
7.'ilamai ennum poong katru'-palil oru nilavu. if some one asks what is tamil film music u can a play this song. this epitomise the tamil film music past, present and future.it has got very right mixture of everything,a true original tamil film song.
8.'kavidhai kellungal'-punnagai mannan.this is the only song in tamil film music history which has folk,western and carnatic in it.it starts in western style plunges into folk and comes back with carnatic with ease and style.
9.'maman ooru nal malligai poo koduthan'-rosappu ravikkaikari.these day we talk lot about voice experimenting.but way back in seventies this song is recorded.just feel the rawness of the voice.which totally blends with the film and its charecter.though raaja has tried many different voices like in 'anney anney sipoy anney' 'edho mogam' but this cannot be beaten for its rawness and freshness.
10.'pon meni uruguthey'-moondram pirai.this is the ultimate erotic song in tfm. the simple guiter interludes and janaki's mesmeraising voice take the song to great heights.no music director has ever attempted these kind of songs with class.
11.'mottai madi mottai madi'-anjali.an all chidren song on the lines of western choral music which was never attempted in tfm. though in 'indira' arr did try but this song is too much for him to beat.
12.'rum bum bum aarambam'-michel madana kamarajan. though this song is said to be a inspiration of bill haley's rock aroud the clock it is the pure rock and roll song in tfm. m.s.v has composed some song in r and r format like ' malernnum ' in kadalikka neramillai but mmkr song is a complete rock and roll song from chord formation to singing style.and if u listen to bill's rock around the clock you will know how different is this song. a winner all the time.
please post ur opinions.
- From: vengayam (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Sat Dec 8 05:22:51 EST 2001
it is a hazardous task.2 3, 6 & 7 can be carried forward for some time. others rejected.
Muthukkalo Kangal(Nenjirukkum varai)
Poomaalayil (ov uravu)
Ponnai virumbum boomile(alayamani)
atho antha paravai( aayirathil oruvan)
aval oru navarasa( ulagam sutrum v)
kalyaana valai osai( urimai kural)
thazhayam poo mudithu (
amaidhiyana nadhiyinile odam (aandavan kattalai)
penn onru kanden( p m pothuma)
thangathile oru kurai irunthalum
pattathu rani (s mann)
anubhavam pudhumai ( k neramillai)
i've just skimmed the top
- From: Bored (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Sat Dec 8 15:06:59 EST 2001
1. suththi suththi vantheega -
This is the song that reminds listeners of 'thArA thArA vanthArA' and 'pachchai kiLigaL thOLOdu' at the same time and therefore qualifies as a classic.
2. Songs from star/jOdi etc -
Object lessons for composers on how not to lose momentum in the middle of a song by losing focus, by actually demonstrating the opposite. These songs also bring to light the fact (for a budding composer) that afterthoughts like inserting shrieks and howls to hide inadequacies in composing actually highlight what they were actually supposed to conceal.
- From: Rajeev (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Sat Dec 8 23:13:14 EST 2001
A collection of the all time bests in Tamil has no relevance without the MSV numbers. And the songs of Ilayaraja selected are arguably not his best even. I am not ruling out the element of subjectivity and personal likings, but surely there is a strong collective opinion which is common for all music lovers.
- From: eden (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Sun Dec 9 05:45:11 EST 2001
Good thread for `unbiased:-)' opinions! My addition:
Many songs had great starting pieces (preludes) and interludes; but no song can beat `iLaya nilA' for it's `postlude'! Probably this is the only great song when many enjoy through out but still eagerly wait for the song to (near its) end:-) Such a lovely guitar piece is reserved for a glorious end! I don't think I'll again wait for the ending of another song like this!
- From: cosmician (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Sun Dec 9 05:59:09 EST 2001
Bored....looks like you are too bored to even make an educated analysis of music...why waste our time by posting such unwarranted disguised inflammatory postings meant to start you know what ? hav i bored u enuf now ?
- From: Bored (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Sun Dec 9 13:12:51 EST 2001
cosmician, it was through an educated analysis of music, I arrived at those conclusions. You have not bored me enough, but you have taken the bait. Thanks for helping me out.
- From: Sam (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Tue Dec 11 02:16:26 EST 2001
Eden what about Hotel California (both the acoustic and electric versions), though not in TFM. Most of the rock bands have excellent guitar pieces in them. My fave being Guns N Roses (paradise city, welcome to the jungle, Sweet child of mine, november rain ..... all have good outros, ending pieces), esp sweet child of mine solo in the end is tooooooooo good. Neways, in TFM, I also like Mukkala Muqaabla, Kurukku chiruthavale, Mudhalvane (both from Mudhalvane) and rakkamma endings. Like in rakkamma, when both the tunes go together and the song quietly ends, thats beautiful.
- From: doveton (@ )
on: Wed Jan 23 07:26:48 EST 2002
is there any hotel called california?
- From: Raghu (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Wed Jan 23 08:01:29 EST 2002
Chirpi irutkuthu muthum irukuthu - from varumaiyin Niram Sigappu
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