Paatukkaga Odiya Padangal

Paatukkaga Odiya Padangal Paatukkaga Odiya Padangal

Topic started by Chandrasekaran (@ proxyf8.cyberway.com.sg) on Tue Aug 19 22:12:43 EDT 1997.
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From: Chandrasekaran (@ proxyf8.cyberway.com.sg) on: Tue Aug 19 22:25:47 EDT 1997

1. Enga Ooru Paatukkaran
2. Ninaivellam Nithya
3. Ninaithalae Inikkum
4. Priya
5. Sippikkul Muthu
6. Karagattakaran
7. Kadhal Oviyam
From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Tue Aug 19 23:10:29 EDT 1997

Odiya enbathin definition enna? If you mean a movie that ran for atleast 100 days, kaadhal Oviyam fails to qualify.
BTW paattukkaaga Odiya padangaL enRal padaththil paattai thavira vEru onRum sollikkoLgira maathiri onRum illai enRu arthamA? appadi enRal ninathaalE inikkum, sippikkuL muththu etc. also leave the list. :).
paattai thavira vEru onRumE illaatha padangaLiL paandi naattu thangaththai sErkkalaam. meethi oorgaLil eppadiyO, ithu madurai 'thangam' theatre-il (therkku aasiyaavilEyE (therkku indiavilEyE?)miga periya theatre enRu kELvi! madurai makkaLE theLivu paduththavum.) 100 naatkaLukku mEl odiyathu.
athE pOl inthalistil Odiya aththanai trouser (Ramaraajan) padangaLayum sErkkalaam - shenbagamE shenbagamE, raasaavE unnai nambi, enga ooru kaavakkaaran etc.. (saththiyamA intha padangaL ellaam 100 naaL odiyavai. :)
Another one for the hit list - thenRalE ennai thodu. It was a decent comedy.. but didn't deserve the run it had.. one day short of a year!!
appuram chinna thambi, puthu vasantham ippadi nerayavE sollalaam. Will get back to it later.. if people leave out any for me. :)
From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Wed Aug 20 04:40:22 EDT 1997

Chandrasekaran - since it is difficult to gauge the success of a movie, shall we just list movies that had many great songs? Then your list will definitely qualify. My contributions:

8. Alaigal Voivathillei
9. Ithaya Koyil
10. Agni Natchathiram
11. Mouna Geetham
12. Vahidehi Kaathirunthaal
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Wed Aug 20 05:59:21 EDT 1997

What about 'kaadhalan'? I cannot imagine how the guy who made a wonderful time-pass movie (Gentleman) can come up with such a sub-standard one? thaaaaanga mudiyaatha aRuvai. But for the songs (and dances, off course), the movie deserves the dust-bin.
From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Wed Aug 20 07:56:20 EDT 1997

NOV:

If we start listing movies with great songs then there is no room for discussion. It will be only an exercise of listing mostly IR songs. I agree with Ravi on this. We can have a general concensus about the hit status of a movie; in TN a hit movie is generally defined as the one that ran for atleast 50 days in both A and B centers. (A: city theatres B: mofussil theatres). With this definition, Ninaivellam Nitya & Idhya koil (apart from Kadhal oviyum) leave the list.
Alaigal ooivadhillai, vaidehi kaathirunthall, mouna raagam (I think this is what you meant not mouna geethangal) leave the list because they are hits. Agni Natchathiram might make it to the list.

Here is some more:

chittukkuruvi & Lakshmi
From: cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on: Wed Aug 20 10:57:26 EDT 1997

Can we also add:

1)Idhayaththai ThirudaadhE
2)Nattupura pattu
3)Aranmanai kiLi
From: pg (@ igw2.merck.com) on: Wed Aug 20 11:37:10 EDT 1997

Ninaivellam Nithya
Kaadhal Oviyam

Paattukkagavum odaatha padangal.

Both were mega-flops. Other movies in this list Aanandhak kummi, Geethanjali (IR produced them)
From: cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on: Wed Aug 20 15:06:22 EDT 1997

To PG:
Was "Anandha Kummi" a hit movie? Of course, the songs were good. But I don't think the movie was a hit.

I would add "Chembaruthi" also to the "popular movies because of songs" list. Guys, don't tell me that the movie was a hit because of Roja.
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Wed Aug 20 23:31:38 EDT 1997

heheheheh!! rOjaakkaagavum thaan!!!!
From: pg (@ igw2.merck.com) on: Thu Aug 21 07:57:24 EDT 1997

To cp :

What I meant was AanandhakKummi, Geethanjali are in the NNithya, Kaadhal Oviyam list i.e paatukkagavum odaatha padangal. They were all mega flops. IR has numerous movies like this : songs are great but the movie is a mega-flop.
From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Fri Aug 22 05:52:35 EDT 1997

Konjam confus-aagi vittethu. IMO Paatukkaga Odiya Padangal means if not for the songs, these movies would have failed. If that is so, how can these movies be included:
Sippikkul Muthu, Chinna thambi, Agni Natchathiram (Guys, give me a breaK!) and Idhayaththai ThirudaadhE

You may wish to consider these:
Kizhakey Poagum Rayil, Duet, Neengal Keitevei, Payangangal Mudivathillei, Uthaya Geetham
From: pg (@ igw2.merck.com) on: Fri Aug 22 10:10:34 EDT 1997

What's so great about Agni Natchatram ? The movie is an atrocious movie. The only redeeming factors are PCSriram's photography, Sundaram's choreography and Raja's music. No story, no characterisation, no direction.

Idhayathai Thirudathe was another stupid movie. MR had a great idea : In movies like Payanangal Mudivathillai, Vaazhve Maayam etc, only the hero had a fatal disease. Let's do a twist here : both the hero and the heroine have a fatal disease. What an idea ! What about the story ? Oh well, I can always rehash bits and pieces from Agni, Natchatram, Mouna Raagam. Raja will score great music, PC Sriram will do great photography. A couple of flashy dances here and there and I have a blockbuster. What an easy way to make money !
From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Fri Aug 22 12:37:15 EDT 1997

NOV:

In your consideration list all movies except Neengal Kettavai had some story or some good histronics in them. So they probably may not qualify.
From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Sat Aug 23 00:37:45 EDT 1997

pg
I beg to differ!!! If you remember Agni N's songs were released eons before the movie. Nothing spectacular about the songs either - just usual IR standar (which is good BTW). The movie created an impact not just from the cinematography. The telling of story was superb.
As far as IThirudaathey was concerned, whilst the songs were great, surely they didn't dub the movie to Tamil just because of the songs. IMO nobody can beat MR when it comes to telling a story. A point of interest for you. IThirudaathey was remade locally into a Malay feature film with top actors and actresses - and the songs were not even featured!!!
I's sorry to have digressed.
From: Pagalavan (@ batboy.cisco.com) on: Sat Aug 23 12:37:12 EDT 1997

Can we include "Udayam" in this list of hits. Despite violence, that film had nice songs too (Music : IR). I can remeber the SPB's song "botany class-um uNdu.." There are couple of good duets too. ???
From: Pagalavan (@ batboy.cisco.com) on: Sat Aug 23 12:40:29 EDT 1997

By the way, "udhayam" was dubbed from Telugu. It was a hit in Tamil and Telugu. I am not sure about its Hindi version ("shiva" or something)
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Sun Aug 24 23:58:46 EDT 1997

PG

enna thalaivaa ippadi solleetteenga? Agni was a lesson on direction. true that there is very little story value. But the screenplay and direction was GREAT. nallaa think paNNi sollunga? Were you talking about Agni or some other movie?

Your opinion on 'i. thirudaathE' is true to the last word. There was nothing except IR and PCSriram. Hopless movie. The movie was a hit just for the songs though I liked the Telugu version a lot more. Mano had tried his best but never managed even 50% of SPB's original Telugu version.
From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Tue Aug 26 05:19:26 EDT 1997

Arvind,
Naan IThirudaathey-pathi ivvalavu solliyum kooda neenga ippadi thaarumaaraaga post pannirukireengeley! Manasukku romba kashtamaa irukku! :-(
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Tue Aug 26 23:23:13 EDT 1997

NOV

Did you see 'mauna raagam', 'naayakan', 'agni natch' and 'ithaya. thiru' in that order? MR was giving wonderful movies till then for three consecutive years. Itha. thiru was his first sub-standard movie after 'mau. raa'. Many scenes were repetitions of 'mau.raa'. It was irritating to see the same scenes done by somebody else.
From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Wed Aug 27 04:32:32 EDT 1997

Everybody: Please excuse us for this short digression.
Arvind: Let me describe the scenario in Kuala Lumpur during the screening of Idhayathei Thirudaathey.
Not many people were familiar with Maniratnam then. The songs were unheard then. Yet there were big advertisements taken out for the movie in the newspapers. My friends and I were some of those who were curious. We later leaned that it was a dubbed movie with unknown stars. What do you think was in the movie that made us want to see it, not once but thrice? (By Malaysian standards, this is highly unusual) Songs????
P/S: The movie ran for a long time in KL.
From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9) on: Thu Aug 28 00:00:36 EDT 1997

That is precisely the reason you liked itha.thiru. You had heard about MR till then. It was something like the concept of naayakan creating flutters in TN. One of his previous movies, pagal nilavu, featured Satyaraj in a similar role. There were a lot of scenes from that movie which were repeated 100% in naayakan and still naayakan became a hit. This was because pagal nilavu was a flop and even now many people in TN do not know it was an MR movie.

Seeing something copied exactly really irritates you.
From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Thu Aug 28 05:42:49 EDT 1997

Aravind - Let's have our own discussion on this and not take up space in the TFM forum. I'll e-mail to you later.
If you will allow me to have the last word, it's Maniratnam rules OK!!!!
From: en (@ mercury.web.compuserve.com) on: Fri Aug 29 16:53:48 EDT 1997

PaattukaagaVUM odiya padangal:

Muthal Mariyathai
Amman Koil Kizhakkale
Rajathi Raja
Sindhu Bairavi
Varusham 16
Puthu vasantham
Puthu puthu arthangal
From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Mon Sep 1 04:03:34 EDT 1997

en: intha varisayil pala BR padangaL sEra vEndum.
From: bacrdii (@ ) on: Fri Jan 12 03:32:12 EST 2001

i think the jean also depending on his song because this has a normal stories...
From: Ramesh (@ 208.168.16.141) on: Tue Jun 12 13:49:28 EDT 2001

The movie Eeramana Rojave had good songs only.
It can be added to the list
From: meena (@ 203.106.162.204) on: Sun Jul 15 12:14:29 EDT 2001

Deena,minsara kanavu and minnale also just ran for songs.There nothing story there!
From: Nihal (@ 203.197.156.141) on: Fri Aug 31 06:28:09 EDT 2001

Avatharam also

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