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Topic started by Radhai (@ h32be.s86b1.baynetworks.com) on Thu Oct 7 13:21:51 EDT 1999.
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Time and again, I have wondered why Vaali is not as successful as Kannadasan & Vairamuthu. If critics say his songs are not as catchy as the other two lyricists' I will not agree as he has lasted for more than 35 years now.
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- From: SHyam (@ proxy1.cc.swin.edu.au)
on: Wed Oct 13 02:29:52 EDT 1999
VM is the worst MD with a scary look
kanadasan is the best ,please dont compare
- From: Shankar (@ netcache32.mot.com)
on: Wed Oct 13 06:33:57 EDT 1999
>>VM is the worst MD with a scary look<<
I second u shyam!!!! in fact had i been george lucas or dennis muren, i wud 've cast VM as darth maul instead of ray park in the phantom menace...
- From: eden (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Wed Oct 13 08:34:35 EDT 1999
Hi Shankar, VM eppo `MD' aanaru?
- From: Shankar (@ netcache32.mot.com)
on: Wed Oct 13 08:54:25 EDT 1999
mannikkavum MD engira work pAkkAma cut-paste paNNittEn shyam posting lEndhu :-(
avarAvadhu MD AradhAvadhu ;-)
vAngO sandai pOdalAm ;-))
- From: Rajesh Kumar.V (@ )
on: Sat May 20 12:22:22 EDT 2000
hai , I just had a chance to Visit this Site ..It was amazing except for few things..
And Regarding "VAALI" Why he was not successful as Kannadasan & Vairamuthu ? That Qn itself is Wrong..
Till now Vaali's Pen Plays the Required Magic ..The main Reason behind the qn u asked is HE's not goin behind Popularity or Fame...He gives What is Required for the Film...
And If u Ask Any one in the Film Industry They'll Say Vaali is aman who changes himself to various stages an pens his lyrics..
For eg::When Shankar wanted a seq for Prabu-deva in Kaadalan...(MUQABALA) which was penned in 5 min's by vaali which VM couldnt ...
But takin this sample dont misjudge His Poetic Writings...He's the man who uses simple lyrics so that even a Layman can understand that...
When he started his career he wrote songs like Karchilai yendralum kandane unai maraven
I cannot give the Entire List I'll Mention few of his memorable ones whice were left in u'r list
Sirikkindral indru sirikindral& kutrala Aruviyile kulithathu from NALLAVAN VAZHVAN
Yengal veetu Pillai, Anbe VAA, nee,All songs
Putham Puthia Puthagame from ARASAKATTALAI,PEtral thaan Pillaya all songs
Naan Katru vanga ponen-Kalangarai Vilakkam
The list continues and MGR himself has told that HE climbed his POLITICS LADDER with VAALI's PEN too...
And for Shivaji,Gemini,Ravichandran,SSR etc the Other heroes were not left..
Pal polave .., Vellikinnandhan etc from Uyarndha Manidhan,
Oh Oh yethanai Aznagu 20 vayadhinile,
Gnayirru Yenbadhu kannaga,anbulla manvizhiye
etc r few samples
M.S.V -famous M.D as u know..He himself has told that Kannadasan & Vaali were his both eyes....
This itself is an evidence how he was..
And When Illayaraja Emerged Valli Penned lot of Songs for him too
Like Kannan Oru kai kuzhandai, Kettele ange from Badrakaali
YEn kanmani kaadali, ada da maamara kuyile-Sittukuruvi
Nadhiyoram, Amma nee sumandha pillai,appane appane-Annai or AAlayam
Naanaga naan illai thaye-Thoongathe tambi Thoongathe
Ninaivo oru paravai, madai thirandhu,Poongatru un thol konja, Poongaviyam, Karpoora bommai ondru & 3 more songs in that film(keladi kanmani)
Amma yendrazhaikatha uyirillaye,Inji Idupazhagi,POtri Padadi ponne, Maasaru ponne varuga,Idhayame Idhayame, pottu veitha,
These all are Samples and he has written for all Md's like R.sudharsanam,K.V mahadevan, T.G.Lingappa,Sankar-ganesh,V.Kumar(Which was ultimate),S.V.venkatraman, T.R.Paapa,Kunnakudi vaidyanadhan,Gangai amaran,Sirpi,Deva,S.A.Rajkumar etc
Particularly For REhman..His lyrics were Beautiful ..
His work with rehman started with Uzhavan i which all songs were varieties...For eg Pennala Pennala OOdhapoo,Kangalil yenna eerama, Rakozhi 2 muzhichuruku
Then chiku bukku rayilu,Parkathe in Gentle man
Muqabala in KAADALan
Then Came INDIAN in which 3 songs were Penned by him
Particularly in this song
"Anname anname naan solli vandatha thendralum netru
unnaye unnaye naan yenni vendhathai sonnadha poongatru
undhan kaalin metti pol kooda nadapen
undhan kannukku kanneer pol kaval irupen"
how poetic and understandable isnt it...
Then In Kaadal desam again he proved that his combination with ARR is very good..
c the starting of Anbe Anbe song
Yenai kanavillaye netrodu unai thedi parkiren katrodu uyir odi ponadho unnodu anbe ......??
c now nice it is and more over new -modern words like pager , cell phone etc he uses in his songs..
and Oh vennila iru vaanila(how nice the depiction of 2 friends loving a same girl)
And Ultimately Kaadalar dinam..
It ran BEcause of Music & songs only No doubt in that
For eg Yenna Vilai Azhage.. is the master piece
The Lyrics goes like this
" yenna vilai azhage sonna vilaiku vanga varuven vilai uyir yendralum tharuven indha azhagai kandu viyandhu pogiren oru Mozhi illamal mounamaagiren
Padaithan iraivan unaye malaithan udane avane
azhagai padaikum thiramai muzhuka unnudan saarndathu yenn vizhi serndhathu
viraivinil vandhu kalandhidu
viral pada mella kanindhidu
udal mattum ingu kidakadhu
udan vandhu neeyum uyir kodu
Pallavan sirpigal andru Panniya sirpathil ondru pennena vandadhu indru silaye(2)
undhan azhagukillai yeedu
Uyire unaye ninaindhu vizhi neer mazhayil nanaindhu
imayil irukkum iravu urakkam kanvittu poyachu
kaaranam nee achu
dinam dinam unai ninaikiren thurumbena udal ilaikiren
uyir kondu varum padhumaiye
unai vida illai pudhumaye
un pugal vayyamum solla
sitranna vaasalil ulla sithirem vekudhu mella uyire
nalla naal unai naanum serum naal thaan..."
How fantastic is the Lyrics ..No more a poet can describe the Beauty of a Girl..
Other Song was Roja Roja which was Ultimate for lyrics
eg..."Nee vandhal maru kanam vidium yen vaaname "
and his Writings continues
And From Olden Period till now Letter songs were beautifully Penned by him only
Anbulla Man vizhiye-from Kuzhandayum Deivamum
Naan Anupuvadhu kaditham alla Ullam-Pesum deivam
Kanmani anboda kaadalan -Guna
And i can write more than this but no time ..So when ever i find time i'll mail u some details...
SO finally Concluding Vaali has achieved the Pinnacle long back but he doesnt care Personally for his Publicity..
And more over Avadara Purushan & Paandavar Boomi were also excellent Which was read many people and that Proved his Knowledge on Tamil..
So VAALI IS ALWAYS AN EVERGREEN POET who shouldnt b compared with any fellow poet...
Ok bye for now
- From: Rajesh kumar.v (@ gate.silverline.com)
on: Mon Jun 19 07:57:58 EDT 2000
Sri Ragavendra, Mogamul etc r examples of his carnatic styles
- From: sathiyamani (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Thu Oct 19 04:58:33 EDT 2000
it is wonder, we are discussing on 'Vs' but
both Vs are not in same level. kavithai
is the process to deliever words with
lively hood / blood circulation / heart beatings
not simply with tune and music (ho'ble with
heavy metal bbbbb like rahmanji ). these two
achieves only up to a limit, but Valli's is
up in the sky, as he never repeats or negligible
same vocabellary / same comparisition (uvamai) like v.muthu. not only that he never uses
contradictory statements like (..tamilzhkku illai
thattupadu ......in duet! (film name ) how crazy
he is....? valli obeyed his collegue k.dasan
bec's he accepts and worships a universal kavi...kavi arasu...
where as little boy v.muthu accepts the award
that he is superior than of kannadasan.
Any one who loves tamil and its poetic never
accepts such a think . this is enough to
show who is the best
- From: rajesh (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Sat Nov 11 03:25:54 EST 2000
U r exactly Correct
- From: Rajesh Kumar (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Fri Mar 9 02:17:15 EST 2001
y no Response From Anyone .............
- From: Tamilan (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Fri Aug 3 14:55:48 EDT 2001
guys it seems no body reading "kavithi".TRY READ AND TELL WHO IS BEST? HAs any one read "thanner thesam"?..okay..take movie..who has got more national awards?...There is no body near to "VM"..
- From: raj (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Mon Aug 20 08:25:27 EDT 2001
Oh Kavithai !!
Hello for u'r kind information Vaali's kavithai are more simple than VM's
HAve u ever read avadhara Purushan, Paandavar Boomi.. He has portrayed those great epics in simple at the same time beautiful tamil.
NAtional award ..always there is a controversy abt NAtional award given to VM.
Even the title Kaviperarasu is not given by any one he himself has given
but vaali is not behind awards, popularity& title
he thinks his writings,songs shld bring those ...
So Dont Think VM alone can write kavithai etc..
- From: raj (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Thu Jan 24 03:18:49 EST 2002
come On Guys..
Y shld such a Wonderful thread be Silent..
- From: sathish kumar (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Tue Aug 13 05:12:17 EDT 2002
how do u compare vaali and VM. the latter tries to show off his talents by speaking in pure tamil, but for the poet or a lyricist, it needs more than that. Vm's songs gives as appearance that it is good but go deep into it, these are crazy. for eg, take uyire song in bombay, all lines will be predictable even before you read it.
And while writing poems also he tries to use all complicated words to make people think that he is talented. it is not simple and conveying the message directly as was in Vaali's.
One will not compare these two if s/he goes through Vaali's works. He is simply great and not comparable to any of today's poet and he is the ultimate.
- From: raj (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Sat Oct 19 00:18:44 EDT 2002
Well Said Satish
- From: raj (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Wed Nov 20 08:18:11 EST 2002
please read "Innum irukiraargal" by Vaali in http://www.kumudam.com/junction/mainpage.html
also click " sendra vaara idhazhgal" to read the PRev issues
Vaali has started to Write abt the greats tamilnadu has given
started off with 1. Kaanchi Periyavar, Ramana maharishi
3. Kirubanadha vaariyar,Yembar Vijayaraghavacharyar
Dont miss it
- From: balasubramanian (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Tue Mar 23 07:42:51 EST 2004
Vaali wasn't successful as when compared with KD and VM.this is because as vaali belongs to upper caste,which political people of tamilnadu will not digest.that's why he wasn't been recognised,eventhough he was NO:2 during KD period and been NO:1 after KD's demise
but,he was not recognised because he belongs to the caste which is disliked by the dravidian parties
- From: R Guru Prassad (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Tue Jun 29 08:09:15 EDT 2004
Who said , Please don't compare vairamuthu and vaali...Comparing two poets doesn't make any sense at all....If you really want to compare them then give the same situation for the song and then ask Kannadasan,Vaali & Vairamuthu to write the lyrics :)...Then you can say who really has the "saraku" in them :)...and it is totally a wrong "notion" to say that vaali is not as sucessful as kanndasan or vairamuthu...
I really donno on what basis people start such topics...
Vaali has his own style of writing...I believe he was the best and is the best and is going to be the best too....
we can call him the G-3 He is
generic genius god :)...
Hat' off to his great words....
- From: ahmed (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Tue Jul 13 08:03:42 EDT 2004
one should compare vaali with kannadasan and not with this petty poet vairamuthu, who had christined himself as kavi arasu, which is apt only for kannadasan.
- From: raj (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Wed Aug 25 01:55:53 EDT 2004
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