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Topic started by Manisekaran (@ 18.104.22.168) on Fri Jun 14 01:54:38 EDT 2002.
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This is an effort, in a modest way, to trace the great contributions of KVM to the Tamil Film Music. As Tamil Film songs originate from the Tamil films, I am aslo taking the liberty of discussing the background of the films where KVM had comsposed- with the intention of adding spice. I believe this article would serve as a nostalgic tonic to the fans of old songs.
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- From: sk (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Fri Oct 11 21:12:01 EDT 2002
vANi rANi has another SPB-PS duet:
mullaip poo pallakku pOvadhengE
There is also a PS solo at the end where Vanisree
sings as if she is drunk, just to cause a bad
impression to everyone.
Sathyam has another SPB-PS duet:
azhagAm kodi siridhu
- From: kik (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Fri Oct 11 23:16:29 EDT 2002
padagu padagu is by SPB & PS (uththaman) and not TMS. Incidentally, do you recall if kungumam had the scenes with sivaji dressed up as a woman? Apparently, the censor board in chennai asked that a lot of the 2nd part be cut which had these scenes. As a result, padathil logic konjam thattiyathu and it did not fare well at the box office in Tamilnadu. These scenes are supposed to be hilarious - the story has something to do with espionage/india-pak troubles etc. I've not seen it.
Sivaji himself is supposesd to have said that if the uncut portions had been shown the film would have been a super hit.
- From: Manisegaran (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Fri Oct 11 23:25:36 EDT 2002
Un Kannil Neer Vazhinthaal is one of my very best as well. Only Kannadasan could write situation songs this well and only TMS could sing with that much emotion while only Sivaji Ganesan could express and bring live to the silver screen. Perhaps KVM has to be given the credit for having used the right instruments and the appropriate mood tune.
The padmini -Sivaji combinations have always produced good results. Anbu,Pudayal,Illara Jothi, Kalyanam Panniyum Brahmachaari, Ethirpaaraathathu, Raja Rani, Deivappiravi, PunarJanmam, Uthamaputhiran, Thanga Padumai,Thillanaa Mohanambaal etc. But Vietnam Veedu is a speciality by itself. Padmini has stated in an interview that she really enjoyed acting with Sivaji in Vietnaam Veedu. (G.Sakuntala was very uset when she was side stepped. She was acting in the stage drama version) Some of you must be aware that Sivaji would have married Padmini (puppy) if not for objections from Sivaji's mother.
The Vani Rani song you mention is:
Kathai UNdu- Oru Kathai Undu
Ithan Pinne Oru Kathai Undu
Sollathaan ninaithathu Anru
Manam Ennavo Mayanguthu Inru..
There is one more duet by TMS and Suseela:
Kandathunda Ippadi Ore Pombalai
I am slightly confused about the song Kattilidavaa. I it in vani Rani or Kulama Kunama?
Thanks for your comments on Vietnam Veedu. It is a Saturday. I am going to see it again. I miss Sivaji, Kannadasan and TMS
- From: Manisegaran (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Fri Oct 11 23:30:39 EDT 2002
Thanks for the Padagu padagu. Good readers are observing sharply.
When I saw Kungumam, Sivaji appearing as a woman was there. Somehow does not fit him. I was disgusted. I accept that Sivaji is very good in acting as well as over acting. In my opinion that scene never added value to the film in any way. I beg to differ with Sivaji that the movie would have been a hit had that scene be allowed.
But the songs! Great. Songs were success, though film did not fare well.
- From: Manisegaran (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Sat Oct 12 00:36:32 EDT 2002
MGR STARRED MOVIES (APART FROM DEVAR FILMS)
Vathiyar movies had always been a pleasure to see. They were mainly entertainment movies, with good songs retaining supremacy. I had listed all the Devar films in one category. Now I will touch on the non-Devar movies.
RAJA RAJAN (1957)
Neela Productions RAJA RAJAN, acted by MGR, PS Veerappa, Padmini, Lalitha, MN Nambiyaar, MG Chakrabani, Friend Ramasamy, G Sakuntala. Story and dialogue was by Kannagi fame Ilango.There are some melodious songs here.
Udutha Sarojini and company sing this song of Bharathiyar:
Senthamizh naadennum Pothinile
Inba The Vanthu Paayuthu Kaathinile
There is another song by nSeenivasan and Company, that was enjoyed those days:
Payirai Nambi Uyirirukkuthu
Palathai Nambi Tholirukkuthu
Uyirai Nambi Ethu Irukkuthu Thangame Thilale
S.C. Krishnan sings a very long song. And it is unusually for MGR. This song starts as follows:
Seergazhi Govindarajanand AP Komala sing this song that has been immortalised. It has been well written by Maruthakazi:
Ithayam Thannaiye Enathu Ithayam naaduthe
Puthiya Unarvalaikal Pongi Isai Paaduthe
Ithayam Thannaiye Enathu Ithayam naaduthey
Puthiya Unarvcalaikal Pongi Isai paaduthey
The same pair sing one more wonderful song, written by Ku Sa Krishnamurthy:
Nolavodu vaan Mugil Vilayaduthe-Antha
Nilai kandu Enathullam Thunai Theduthe
Trichy Loganathan and SC Krishnan bring this melodious song:
Sami Saami Enru Oorai Eikkindra
Aasaami Romba Intha Naattile
P.Leela and Soolamangalam Rajalechumy sing this song written by Pugazhendhi:
Aadum Azhage Azhagu-Asainthu
Sontha Naadum Kalaikal Panpaadum Uyara Nadamaadum
R. Balasaraswathy Devi sings this song for Lalitha:
Kaliayatha Aasai Kanave-Enthan
Karuthai Vittagalaa Nilave
The film was quite popular in those days.
SABASH MAPPILLAI (1961)
This is an important movie for KVM as there were very good songs. This is the only full comedy film of MGR. MR Radha ads, as usual to the comedy. Malini is the main heroine here.
Seergazhi Govindarajan sings this solo:
Jigu Jigu Udaiyile
Jilu Jilu Nadayile
Jegame Thannal Mayanguthe
Seergazhi Govindarajan and P. Suseela sing this song:
Yaarukku yaar Sonthamenbathu-Ennai
Nerukku Ner Ketttaal Naan Enna Solvathu
The above song comes in two versions.
Seergazhi Govindarajan and P. Suseela sing this comedy song:
Mappillai Mappillai Mappillai Mappillai Varaaru
There is a pichaikkaran song sung by PB Seenivos. One need not see the movie to know thatn it is a train song. KVM gives appropriate tune that make the listeners realise that the song scene is set on a train.
veLLi paNathukkum nalla kuNathukkum vegu thooram
ithu uLlapadi intha ulakam uNarthum oru paadam
piLlai Enum pantha paasathai thaLLi pirinthOdum
than uLlathai irumbu pettagamakki thaaL pOdum
illathavar evaraana pOthilyum eLLi nagayaadum
iNai illatha annai anbukku kooda
sollaamal thadai pOdum
veLlathinaal varum paLla mEdupOl
selvam varum pOgum
ithai eLLaLavEnum eNNaatha kancharkku
kaLLamillathga anbu chelvamEy enrum nilayaagum
kashtam theeRum kavalaikal maaRum inbam uRuvaagum
Seergazhi Govindarajan sings this very famous song, shot in Bombay setting:
sirippavar sila pEr azhubavar palapEr
irukkum nilai enRu maaRumo
uzhaippavar vaazhvEy veethiyilEy
uRanguvatho nadai paathayilEy
irakkam kaattaththaan naathiyillEy
uyarnthavar thaazhnthida thEvayillai
uLlathai izhanthida sollavillai
uzhaippavar uyarnthaal potumaiyaa..
Seergazhi Govindarajan and Soolamangalam Rajalechumy sing this all time famous thaalaattu song:
Muthu Pole Manjal Kothu Pole
Muzhu Nilave Nee Piranthaai engal Veettile
Seergazhi Govindarajan and P. Suseela sing this famous love song :
Manathil Irukuthu Onnu
Athai Kanakka Kaattuthu Kannu
Another movie with great songs. MGR, Vasantha, Saroja Devi, Kuladeivam Rajagopal, M.N. Nambiyar and MR Radha act in this movie. A film where Soolamangal Raajalechumy is given many songs. This is one of the movies where KVM has made all songs popular.
T.M.S. and Soolamangalam Rajalechumy sing two famous duets. One is a dream scene where:
Thuyar nerungaathu nammai oru pothum
nam mugathukku azhgu punnagai!
Avan Maarinum Manithanumillai
Vanthidum Avanaal Thollai
Sinthithu Par En Sollai
Iravum Pagalum Undu
Vaazhvil Ilamayum Muthumayum Undu…
The other is:
Unnai enni kanavu kandu
ennudane nee irukkum
unmaiyai Ulakam ariyaathu
Unaiyanri Vaazhkayum Yethu
kaanbathellam un uruvam
ketpathellam unathu kural
kankalai urkkam thazhuvaathu
Soolamangalam Raajalechumy sings a sad version of:
Unnai enni kanavu kandu
Soolamangalam Raajalechumy sings a great solo for Saro who appears as a tribal lady:
Kannirandum thevai illai kaanbatharku
Kaathirandum thevai illai ketpatharku
Unmai anbu irunthuvittaal pothatha
Naam ullamathai unarnthukkolla mudiyatha?
Soolamangalam Raajalechumy and P.Suseela sing this soul lifting sad song:
Manathil Konda Aasaikalai Maranthupoividu
Iniya Kaathal Ninaive Pothum Pirinthupoividu
RANI SAMYUKTHA (1962)
This is an important movie for MGR as well as Kannadasan who wrote the story, dialogue and songs. Some of the best songs of Kannadasan and great music by KVM could be found in this film. MGR, Sagasranamam, Padmini, M.N Nambiyar and Thangavelu appear in this film.
The first song is a patriotic song by AP Komala for the dancing Ragini:
Engal Mannavan Thennadu
There is a great song by TMS and P. Suseela:
Oh Vennilaa Oh Vennila
Vanna Po Chooda Vaa Vennjilaa
Oh Mannavaa Oh Mannavaa
Vanna Poo Chooda vaa Manna Vaaa
Netru Kanavaaga naan Kanda Indbam INdru Nanavaahga
Nee Ingu Vanthaai
Aalilai pani Pole Naan Vaazntha Velai
Alliya Kaikal Ungal Kaiyallavaa
Another duet by the same pair:
NIlavenna Pesum Kuyilenna Paadum
Malarennum Sollum Manathile
Kathai Pesuma Inba Kavi Paaduma
Ingu Kannodu Kan Sollum Mozhiyiley
A good solo by P. Suseela:
Paavai Unakku Seithi Theriyumaa-Alai Kadalpol
Paadum Enathu Ullam Theirumaa
TMS and PSuseela (AP Komala?) sing this sad song:
K. Jamunarani sings what has been accepted as one of her very best:
Sithirathil Pennn Ezhutyhi
Jeevanulla Pen Inathai
PSuseela sing another great song for Padmini
Nenjirukkaum varaikkum Ninaivirrukkum
Antha Ninaivinil Avar Mugam NIrainthirukkum
Konjum Ilamai Kudiyirukkum- Paarvai
Kurukurukkum Meni Paraparakkum
KALAI ARASI (1963)
Some words have to be said about Sarodi Pictures Kalai Arasi. this film which shows flight into space. mgr appears in double role. M.N. Nambiyar, P.S Veerappa, P.Banumathy, Rajshree. G. Sakuntala are among the main stars. The fact is that this film did not run well and the records were never released. I had to record songs direct from the sound track for Seergazhi Govindarajan, who had great liking for the songs of this film.
TMS sings this wonderful song by Aalangudi Somu
Neelavaana Panthalin Keezhe
Kaalathevan Arasaangam Nadakkuthada
Aan kattalayil Ivvulagam Kidakkuthada
P.Banumathy and Jikki sing this song:
Aasai Vaiikira Idam Theriyaanum Maranthuvidaathey
Banumathy sings a song by Pattukkotttai Kalyanasundaram:
Ninaikkumbothu Nenjum Kannum Thudippathum Yeno
Banumathy sings one more solo:
Singara Vaa Vaa Thiruchendoora Velaa
Seergazhi Govindarajan and Banumathy sing this song:
Kalaiye Un Ezhil Meni Kaniyaavathen
Kaathal Kana Neram Pirinthaalum Kanal Aavathen
Ratnamala sings this comedy song:
Kettalum Kettuthu Ippadi Kettudakkoodaathu
P.Leela sings a song by Pattukkottai Kalyanasundaram:
Enrum Illamal Onrum Sollamal
There is a comedy song for mgr, written by Pattukkottai Kalyanasundram and sung by Seergazhi Govindarajan:
Athisayam Paarthen Mannile-Athu
Appadiye Nikkuthu eng Kannnile
Seergazhi Govindarajan and P.Suseela sing this lovely song:
Nee Iruppathu Inge
Un Ninaiviruppathu Engey
The above are about some of the best from KVM. it is most unfortunate that the records are not available.
KANJI THALAIVAN (1963)
A movie in which MGR, SSR, Banumathy, Vijayakumari MR Radha and Manorama act in leading roles. There are some good songs, but the film was commercially a flop.
KD Sahnthanam has written a song sung by TMS for MGR:
Kanji Tyharum Kalaiye
Kavi Piravaa Mun Pirantha
Alangudi Somu wrote a song sung by TMS:
Makkaloru Thavaru Seithaal
Mannavane Thavaru Seithaal
Maanilathil Yaar Poruppaar
Mu Ka wrote a song and was sung as a background song sung by C.S. Jayaraman
Velka Naadu Velka Naadu Velka Velkave
Mu Karunanithi wrote a song and was sung by AL Ragavan for MRRAdha:
Ulagam Suthuthu Ethanaale?
Namma Udambu Suthuthu Athanaale
P. Banumathy sings
Mayangaathga manam yaavum mayangum
TMS and Suseela sing this sad song:
Oru Kodiyil Iru Malarkal
Annan Thangai Uravu Murai
Alangudi Somu wrote a song, sung by TMS and Suseela for SSR and Vijayakumari:
Vaanathil Varuvathu Oru Nilavu-Ilam
Manathinil Varuvathu Ore Ninaivu
KODUTHU VAITHAVAL (1963)
An average movie acted by MGR, L. Vijayalachumy, and EV Saroja. There are some good songs.
There is an enchanting song by Suseela sung for EV Saroja. This happens to be one of the best works of KVM:
Minnal Varum Velayile Mazhai Pozhiyum-En
Mannan Varum Velayile Manam Kulirum
TMS and P. Suseela sing this famous duet:
Eppadi Irukkuthu Manasu?
Etho Unthan Nyabagathaale
Pozhachi Kidakkuthu Usuru
Seergazhi Govindarajan and LR Eswary sing a song. This was quite unusual as by this time MGR slowed down on using him as his playback singer. This was a phasing off song.
TMS sings an average solo:
Naan Yaar Theriyuma?
En Nilamai Enna Puriyuma?
This was another flop movie for MGR. But the songs, especially minnal varum by PSuseela and Ennamma Sowkkiyama were very good hits.
Have a nice weekend.
- From: Saravanan (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Sat Oct 12 03:36:07 EDT 2002
Mani Sir, could go thru your later posts only now.
Some quick thoughts:
1.The SPB-PS duet from ‘Anbu Sagodarargal’ that I referred to earlier, goes like this: ‘Unnai ethirpaarthen’- A very melodious song.
2.Yaanai Valartha Vanambadi Magan- Besides the songs that I had mentioned earlier, there is a dreamy SPB-SJ duet-‘Kannaal nadathum oru kathai undu sollattuma’.
3.Enipadigal was the remake of a popular Telugu film –‘Seethammalakshmi(?) stg. Talluri Rameswari.It had one more memorable solo by PS ‘Kannizhandha pillaikku deivam thandha darisanam’ sung for a blind boy.
4.Padikkatha Methai and Paaladai were perhaps the only films in the ‘Pa’ series of Bhimsingh-Sivaji ventures to have music by KVM.
5.Annai Illam- ‘Ennirandu pathinaaru vayathu’ is not a TMS solo. It has a haunting humming by LRE as well.Also are you sure that ‘Sivappu vilakku’ is a TMS-PS duet? I thought it is a TMS solo.
6.Iruvar Ullam- ‘Puthisigamani petra pillai’ featured MR Radha and TP Muthulakshmi and not Manorama.
7.Kungumam- Just wanted to add that being a film under the banner ‘Rajamani Pictures’- the title song had the lines ‘Rajamani ennum annai mugathil'
8.I am sure you meant ‘Thoongatha kannendru ondru’ as the song which Prabhu and Rekha sing, and not ‘Mayakkam enathu thaayagam’. The Prabhu film which you referred to is ‘Kaalaiyum Neeye Maalaiyum Neeye’-1988.
9.Why do you say that Seergazhi Govindarajan sang for Sivaji only on two occasions? What about Chithoor Rani Padmini, Vanangamudi, etc? Even ‘Pazhagu senthamizh azhagu mangai’ –Thaaye Unakka, was for Sivaji, I think.
10.Naan Vanangum Deivam was a modified adaptation of RL Stevenson’s ‘Dr.Jekyll & Mr.Hyde’.
11.Ratha Thilagam’- ‘Pogaathe pogaathe en kanava’ was sung by Manorama, and not LRE. It was a parody of the ‘Veerapaandia kattabomman’ song by Rathnamala.
12.‘Merry go round’- the voice sounds like Usha Uthup- is it possible for her to have sung as early as 1963?
13.Pesum Deivam- ‘Nooraandu kaalam vaazhga’ is by Soolamangalam Rajalakshmi, Sarala and LRE. SJ had sung ‘Pillai Selvame’ in the oriental style, for Sowcar Janaki.
14.Vietnam Veedu- in ‘Endrum Puthithaaga’, PS is accompanied by AL Raghavan and Soolamangalam Rajalakshmi, and not LRE.
15.Arunodhayam- There is a SPB-PS duet ‘Engal veetu thangatheril’ , which is a lift from ‘Gun gunaa rahen hain bhavre’ –Aradhana. Wonder why KVM did this!
16.Kulama Gunama- ‘Ulagil Irandu Kiligal’ – the fourth voice is S Janaki and not LRE.
17.Kulama Gunama had two more memorable songs – ‘Muthe maragadhame’ (Pillai kali theera)- Soolamangalam Rajalakshmi & PS and ‘Mathooru Ramakka’- PS & SJ
18.Sathiyam- the film starred Sivaji, Devika, Kamal, Jayachitra and Manjula. There is a TMS solo as well.
19.‘Kattiladava’ is definitely from Vani Rani. It starts off with the thogayara- ‘Poonnolirum--’
20.Rani Samyuktha- ‘Idhazhirandum paadattum’ is by TMS and TS Bagavathi.
21.Koduthu Vaithaval- ‘Paalaatril selaaduthu’ is by Seergazhi Govindarajan and Jamunarani, and not LRE.
22.There is another good PS solo in ‘Koduthu vaithaval’-Neeyum naanum ondru, oru nilayil paarthaal indru’.
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