Topic started by badri raghavan (@ 206.103.12.125) on Thu Sep 10 05:49:11 EDT 1998.
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i have always wondered "what we will do without cinema and especially film songs? will anybody i know that hair is black (not all is) or kungumam is red unless a film song "koondal karuppu kungumam sivappu"

are there many more of this genre of lyrics which contain in them pearls of truth?

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• From: badri raghavan (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Thu Sep 10 05:50:42 EDT 1998
  
  one another song that never ceases to amaze me is "iravu mudhindhu vidum mudindhal
  pozhudu pullarndu vidum
  
  aaha! pullarikudupa
  
  
• From: CM (@ cbvisa.att.com) on: Thu Sep 10 10:12:16 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Badri:
  How about this
  "Thaneeril moozhgaadhu kaatrulla pandhu".. from "Earamana rojave"( the song not the movie).
  
  
• From: Murali Sanakr (@ 129.252.23.233) on: Thu Sep 10 11:59:09 EDT 1998
  
  One beautiful song with admirable lyrics is "Mandram Vandha Thendralukku".
  
  The song in the very first line indicates that there is a misunderstanding between the husband and wife. The second line
  
  "Bhoopalamae Koodaathennum Vaanam Undoe soll"
  
  It is one of the lines with a deep inner meaning.
  Without Bhoopalam the sky can survive and so is the case of the raga. It can exist without the sky. But the very meaning of their existence is lost. They must pair up to add meaing to their existence.
  
  "Thaamarai Melae Neerthuli Pole Thalivanum Thalaiviyum Vazhvadhenna"
  
  Everybody understands that the glossy coat on the leaf of the the lotus is hydrophobic. Inspite of the two being associated for the very purpose of survival they are unattached. This tells us the story of the film in just one line.
  
  "Nanbargal Polae vazhvadharkku maalaiyum melamum thevai alla"
  
  This clearly demarcates the regimes of friendship and love. The couple need to have something above the normal plane of friendship. It is for that purpose that they have been united by the wedlock. This line indicates that there is no physical relation between them which is absolutely essential.
  
  Other lines are:
  
  "Medaiyaip polae vazhkai alla"
  
  This reflects the traditional Indian philosophy. It contradicts the very much western "All the world is a stage" by shakesphere. It says the life is no play and implies that the wedlock is precious and has divinity. The line opposes the "Take it easy way" of the Western world when it comes to human relations and values.
  
  The next line:
  
  "Oadaiyaippolae Uravum alla Paadhaigal Maariyae payanam sella"
  
  This line stresses much more the interpretations of the previous line. The traditional Indian view of the marriage being an one - to - one function is highlighted here. It say that a river if courses through many paths at the same time shall lose its might and content and this highlights the ill effects of Polyandry and polygamy. In the film this line indicates that neither Mohan nor Revathi can get over the relation that they had established. She cannot forget her past and he does not want to lose his present. This line emphasizes that the two be in good relation with each other to ease the way of living in the future.
  
  I beg your paron for taking a long time. All these are my personal interpretations and I welcome critical remarks. I shall also be happy to see any one exploring further into the song and letting me know the finer details. It is musically rich too
  
  Reagards
  
  Murali Sankar
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.23.233) on: Thu Sep 10 12:00:12 EDT 1998
  
  Sorry for the typographical errors
  
  
• From: Prakash (@ node1.allegiance.net) on: Thu Sep 10 12:59:06 EDT 1998
  
  Murali:
  I was just listening to this song while driving to work in the morning today, and actually almost wrote up an email to Ravi wanting to know if there is any DF thread that explained the meaning of this song. Thanks a lot for explaining it so beautifully. To me, who is not very well versed with Tamil grammar etc., this has been a real awakening. Thanks again.
  
  Prakash
  
  
• From: muthax (@ client209-42-213-93.intrex.net) on: Thu Sep 10 14:00:04 EDT 1998
  
  Murali shanker a beautiful posting ....
  but does this really fit in this thread?
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.23.234) on: Thu Sep 10 22:59:28 EDT 1998
  
  Dear Muthax,
  
  I am sorry if I have digressed. But I personally felt that the "Uvamais" (metaphors) used in the song are down to earth. eg The facts that lotus leaf and water are unattached, that the river as it courses through loses its vigour, all seemed to be down to earth truths for me. Hence I thought this wouldn't be a misfit in the thread. Of course the philosophical lines are there too. I understand that this thread is a subset of the "lyrics" thread and shall in future confine myself to the properly matching threads. Thanks for your suggestion.
  
  Dear Prakash,
  
  Thanks for your compliment. I suggest that you hear the other songs of the film too. "Nilaavae Vaa" is another song on similar lines. This song too clearly illustrates (but from the male's point of view) the agony of separation and how desperate he is to get her love him. I shall take it up later (probably in the lyrics of the song thread as suggested by Muthax).
  
  
• From: badri raghavan (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Fri Sep 11 00:07:27 EDT 1998
  
  murali,
  
  i had never expected a serious posting to this thread and was initially puzzled on reading the first few lines of your post. paadal varigalai unarvadhu enbadhu oru vagai, adhai unarndhu piraridam pagirndu koLvadu matroru vagai. very nice posting indeed. the lyrics are indeed profound (in the proper sense)
  
  CM
  
  that was a good one.. waiting for more like this.
  
  
  
  
• From: bull (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Fri Sep 11 02:07:15 EDT 1998
  
  CM : In the Iramaana rOjaavE song, the line you mentioned has to be along with the next line for the full effect. The forced rhyme here is just hillarious!
  

  
  
        thaNNIril mUzgaadhu kaatruLLa pandhu
  
  
        ennOdu nI paadi vaa, sindhu
  
  
  

  
  
  aiyO! konnutaanggapaa!!
  
  There was a serial long back by Cho called Saraswatiyin selvan. There were really lovely criticisms of such lyrics in that. I still remember one particular song in that where the heroine is trying to get the hero to love her...
  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  heroine : kazuththula kattu thaali
  
  
            sugrIvan aNNan vaali
  
  
  hero    : un maNdEla masaala gaali
  
  
            enakku irukkudhu jOli
  
  
  

  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.23.236) on: Fri Sep 11 10:51:42 EDT 1998
  
  Thanks Bhadri
  
  
• From: PRIYA (@ ) on: Sat May 12 00:53:26 EDT 2001
  
  I badly need songs from Badri .if you can please kindly send the lyrics to me as it would be useful for me!
  
  

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