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- From: Anbe sivam (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Mon Nov 3 10:48:09 EST 2003
People have different level of expectations from various actors. If PM's Vikram role is done by Kamal, it will not be a success, even if Kamal does a better Job than Vikram. This is because, Kamal has done such roles time and again and people will ask, "Okay, what next?"
Guna is a good but very serious Movie. IR's work was so great and fits the mood of the movie. It didn't get the recognition due for both IR's and Kamal's performance as audience at that time were not ready to receive such a serious stuff. Again the timing of release of a movie is also important. PM came at a time when audience got bored with formula commercial stuff and hence the pickup.
- From: MusicIsLife (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Mon Nov 3 12:00:33 EST 2003
Going by the difference of PM and Guna
Bala is the director and Vikram is the actor.
but in case of Guna, Kamal dominated lot of stuff, over improvised with his own ideas to make it a flop (over SB). but SB did a true turn-around with the next movie (I forgot the movie title there is this song Sriranganathanin patham), with reality written all over it.
- From: Aswathama (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Mon Nov 3 12:50:53 EST 2003
- From: Multi (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Mon Nov 3 13:20:44 EST 2003
Wasn't Mahanathi a flop too?
The way I saw it, Bala took Guna, watered down the 'spiritual' elements and added some 'entertainment' elements. Voila - we had 'Sethu' aka 'Guna Lite'.
Like someone said here 'Guna was too serious'. TF audience are still not ready for 'cinema as serious art'. What people like Bala, Mani, and Tangar do so succesfully is nudge the audience ever slowly in that direction.
What Kamal does is he goes over to that extreme and makes movies like Hey Ram, Anbe Sivam, and Guna. When people fail to recognize them for the gems they are, he runs over to this extreme and make movies like Panchathanthram and Thenali.
The great movie maker he is, I think Kamal is still trying to find the happy median between the 'ahead of his time movie maker that he is' and the 'cinema vyabhari that he also is'. I think Mani and Bala play both these roles very well.
That's my 3 Canadian Cents worth. Sorry about the digression.
- From: isaiosai (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Mon Nov 3 20:46:03 EST 2003
Is this UPPU real?
- From: paran (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Mon Nov 3 21:18:13 EST 2003
That is true in a sense, i still believe if Kuruthi Punal were to be re-released with some song it would be a box office just like KK....
it's a healthy progress that masala movies are being flop. At least ppl will stop thinking of making movies like CHOCLATE?!!!!
- From: NagaS (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Mon Nov 3 22:56:24 EST 2003
Mahanadhi was a Silver Jubilee movie I remember ... Atleast I saw the AD in Daily Thandhi at that time !
- From: nostalgiainvoker (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Tue Nov 4 00:50:13 EST 2003
Mahanadhi ran for 125 or so days in Little Anand alone:) It was a flop but not to the extent of Guna. Kamal has the uncanny knack of releasing dark movies on "Pandigai" naals. Guna for Deepavali and Mahandhi for pongal. This caused a lot of negative buzz through the "pandigai naal athuvumaa antha padamaa" kind of talk.
- From: Mythila (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Tue Nov 4 09:29:14 EST 2003
Piraiye- Even though the 1st 2 lines resemble "Putham pudhu poo", the following lines of pallavi and charanam are different.MadhuBalaKrishnan's rendition is just adequate.This is a neat song based on Panthuvaraali.
Elangaathu veesudhe - is my pick. I should say this is the best soothing melody in recent times, having shades of Abheri. The bass in the pallavi is not to be missed. Towards the end of charanam , in the last 2 lines, the background accompanying music is awesome. On the whole, this song comes as a waft of soft, gentle breeze among crass songs like "Manmatha raasa" and "Thimsukattais" . SriRam just passes the muster.
Adadaa- The complex rythm makes the pallavi unique. I would have preferred the song to just have only the pallavi like "Thom thomtha" of SB.
Kodi yethi - is not my cup of tea.
- From: Bala (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Tue Nov 4 11:06:41 EST 2003
Mahanadhi and Guna both are not flops.. Guna is an average hit that ran for 100 days in 3 centers and more than 75 days in main centers.Mahanadhi is a hit,which ran for 100 days in main centers.It was a late pickup movie.But celebrated by the people as the best family movie.I think in that period kamal had Kalaingan and Maharasan as flop movies.
- From: Multinamatheyan (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Tue Nov 4 11:47:22 EST 2003
And those two horrible movies deserved to be flops. As an ardent Kamal fan, I was embarassed about Maharasan.
Saw Pithmagan yesterday at the theater in Toronto. I wouldn't say it's exceptional, but it's a great movie. A must see for 'nalla cinema' fans. All the actors do exceptional jobs. Surya and Vikram stand out among them.
The only draw back I thought was, some scenes were longer than they needed to be. And the Simran scene seemed forcibly inserted (once again Bala stradling the happy median)
Raja - what can I say. The movie wouldn't be half of what it is without him.
All the songs are in the background.
The kodi yethi vaipom song was missing - may be the theatre folk cut it out because of length considerations. Can someone who saw it else where confirm or deny this please?
There was an added song, a beautiful one at that, in Raja's voice that was not in the album. Wish it was added in the album instead of the medley.
Planning on seeing the movie again. May be this weekend.
- From: 12bums (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Tue Nov 4 13:55:38 EST 2003
Pithamagan songs can be heard at www.tamilsongs.net.
The audio quality is real good here.
- From: yaaro (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Tue Nov 4 14:28:54 EST 2003
Interesting posting in Yahoo groups
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:39:55 -0800 (PST)
From: A B Vijay Kumar
Subject: Dialogue with RPO on Symphony
Hi Guys...I just got the ID of the managing director
of RPO..and I just tried sending the mail..and I got
I am from India, And I have been waiting very
patiently for the release of a work by an Indian, by
name "Ilayaraaja". I heard the news that he had
written a symphony and RPO had played and recorded the
same, and this was conducted by John Scott.
But I do not know if this symphony was released. And I
do not see any reference to the same in the RPO
Can you please spare some time in replying. I am
desperate to know how the symphony is. And if you have
heard it can you please comment on the same.
Thank you... Please reply...I would be greatful
Response from Ian at
Yes we did record the symphony and the master tapes
were given to
Ilayaraaja, however, as far as I know, the recording
was never released
With kind regards.
Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
Thank you very much for the kind reply...
But can you comment on the quality of the music that
was written by him?. Or can you refer me to some site
where I can find any information regarding the same.?
And also do you know of any reason why it was never
It was never released in India.
Sorry to bother you with so many questions.
Thanks a lot
Yes the music was scored for a large orchestra and is
very big and
I think he hoped that a deal would be done with Sony
but it did not
After that I do not know what happened!
Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
Thanks again for a quick reply...Its good to hear from
you so quickly. I am glad.
Is there any samples of the music anywhere in any
form? or are there any sites where I can get atleast a
small bit of the symphony?
Ilayaraaja is respected as one of the greatest
Musicians here in india. But we never get to know the
exact reason why it was not released yet.
Where can I get the exact story behind the making of
Thanks a lot for the reply and sorry to bother you
Sorry can't help you will have to contact him.
Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
''Yes the music was scored for a large orchestra and is
very big and
and flowing.''-that rests atleast some of the doubters about the quality of the work!
- From: HariOM (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Tue Nov 4 22:53:30 EST 2003
Vijay, that's what I call persistence! Way to go!
Sony illainna enna, can someone close to him tell him about
RCA Red Seal
A sophisticated PR and marketing strategy is the need of the day.
- From: 12bums (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Wed Nov 5 00:16:49 EST 2003
yaaro that was a cool posting.
And guys cinesouth says Sandiyar audio release has been postponed as the 'audio is not ready'?!
- From: Speaker (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Wed Nov 5 06:22:11 EST 2003
in this forum, I posted long back a mail from RPO authorities, that they no longer have any information in this regard. But they didnt say, IR didnt even compose as some arivu jeevis claim here...
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