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- From: vijay (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Mon Jun 16 01:36:23 EDT 2003
Wonderful, bb! MS might have quite a few memories associated with this song (this was probably his first song that he got to play KB for on stage, after coming here to US ) I remember introducing this song to another friend of mine, who hadnt quite heard it before, didnt think too highly of it first and then ended up getting addicted to it and finally singing it on stage :-)
Personally, it ranks very high on my nostalgia list and the cassette which has this song has been almost worn out :-)Cannot think of anyone else other than KJY for this song.
Aval Appadithaan was probably the first movie to have some sort of storyboarding done and was a bold effort for its times .
The lyricist has to be somone else, not VM I guess, as it was before 1980.
- From: vijay (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Mon Jun 16 01:45:48 EDT 2003
also-how about the piano/flute/guitar pieces in the first interlude? Classic is all you can say.
- From: vengayam (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Mon Jun 16 04:09:07 EDT 2003
iT should be anni, if it had Deepa who was being molested by Satyaraj only for Mike mohan coming a la mike tyson to spoil the party. Thankfully the audience reaction to Mohan's entry is the only thing that remains with me!
what is m-s-w?
- From: OISG (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Mon Jun 16 04:40:08 EDT 2003
Good song and a nice write up by MS.The lyricist was Gangai Amaran!
As a lyricist Won t u accept "Vedhanai Theernthidum" "Venpani Vilagidum" -when you try to console you push in words of optimism and not an uncomfortable "Theeralam ,Vilagalam".
The pallavi is simple and elegant.But the charanams are a bit confusing.
Nadhyile pudhupunal - the joy of the river undoubtedly!
Kadalile kalanthathu - Why use this Eduthukattu Uvamai for "Nam Sondhamo endru enaithathu"?
But setting aside Amaran s wordplay it was IR who just takes over you by the simplicity of the tune- a great one for Piano.An immortal song.
It seems your gonna have a long week.Follwed by SNSM is it Aval Appadithan?
- From: raja m (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Mon Jun 16 07:14:50 EDT 2003
Great solo by KJY, excellent piano pieces & integration by IR. Thanks
- From: Saravanan (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Mon Jun 16 07:43:52 EDT 2003
bb- magical song---spellbinding! IR’s music, KJY’s voice and GA’s lyrics come together to create a timeless masterpiece—
Kumar Arts’ Aval Appadithaan-1978 was directed by Rudriah, and starred Kamal, Rajini, Sripriya, Sivachandran, and Saritha (in a guest role). It is considered even today a landmark film in the history of Tamil Cinema . It bagged the TN Govt.’s Second Best Film award for 1978, Mullum Malarum being the first and Ilamai Oonjalaadugirathu being the third (Interestingly, Rajini was there in all three of the Award winning films). Unfortunately Rudriah couldn’t come up in a big way- his next film Gramathu Athiyayam-1980 proved a damp squib.
This song has Sivachandran consoling Sripriya that her days of despair are a thing of the past, and paints a rosy picture of the future---unfortunately, his intentions are anything but honorable, as the unfolding scenes show—
IR’s music was another highlight- SJ’s Vaazhkkai Odam sella and Kamal’s Panneer Pushpangalae were the other great songs.
Look at the following article by Vannanilavan- he says Rudriah asked him, initially, to write the lyrics for this song, but since he couldn’t write, GA wrote them- I guess he means ‘Uravugal thodarkathai’- he has wrongly mentioned ‘Panner Pushpangalae’ (since Sivachandran sings ‘Uravugal thodarkathai’, and Kamal sings Panneer Pushapangalae’):
Twenty years have rolled past since ‘Aval appadiththaan’ was released. Most of the technicians who worked for the movie were newcomers and for many it was their first film.
I know Rudrayah, the director and producer of ‘Aval appadiththaan’ since 1975. When we met for the first time, he was doing a course in direction and screenplay, in the Chennai Government Film Institute. And the others who worked for ‘Aval appadiththaan’, cinematographers Nallusaami, Gnanasekaran, Arunmozhi, Editor Kannan where all his Institute-mates. Babu, the Asst. Director of the movie was the classmate of Rudrayah.
It was director Jayabharati who introduced Rudrayah to me. I was working in a Tamil newspaper, Annai Nadu, then. Jayabharati and I were residing in Adambakkam then. We used to stand near the foot-over-bridge of the St. Thomas Mount Railway station for hours together and discuss and exchange our ideas on cinema, journals, literature and almost all other related subjects. Jayabharati was then the Asst. Editor of Dhinamani Kadir. He had submitted his script for the movie ‘Irandu pEr vaanathai paarkiraargaL’ then, to NFDC.
There was a preview theatre in a lane close to the Gowdiya Math in Royapettah. It was a Sunday. Jayabharati and I went there to see ‘Somana dhudi’. Rudrayah had come there too and Jayabharati introduced him to me. That’s how our friendship started. Rudrayah was residing in Lloyds Colony, Royapettah at that time.
Rudrayah came when he was doing his final year in the Film Institute. It was one of his fond and longstanding dreams to film the novel ‘Amma VandhaaL’ of T. Janakiraman. I even wrote the screenplay and dialogue for it and went to Delhi to get the permission of Janakiraman. He readily agreed for the proposal. But somehow it didn’t work out and the project didn’t get off the ground.
Rudrayah seriously went about starting his own film company immediately on completion of his course. He started a company under the name and style Kumar Arts, with the help of his sister’s husband. It started functioning from a bungalow in Alwarpet, next to the bungalow of P. Suseela, the popular playback singer. Incidentally, it was from here that the National Pictures - the company that made Parasakthi - functioned.
Ananthu (late) who was the Asst. Director of K. Balachander helped in many ways in filming ‘Aval appadiththaan’. He helped in getting the call sheets of Rajini, Kamalhasan, Sripriya and others. Though the Rudrayah wrote the story, it was Ananthu who gave an excellent shape and finer touches to it. In fact it was he who suggested the title, ‘Aval appadiththaan’.
Somasundareshwar (director Rajeshwar) who was Rudrayah’s film institute friend wrote the ‘one-line’ for ‘Aval appadiththaan’. ‘One-line’ is a very brief sketch of the structure of the story. Then Ananthu, Somasundareshwar and I started working on the scenes and dialogues. Rudrayah had the knack of assigning the right scene to the right person and getting the dialogues accordingly.
Kamal and Rajini were very busy then, since they were acting in a number of movies simultaneously. Sripriya was the number-one heroine at that time in the industry. All the three were in the peak of their careers and were extremely busy. But the readiness with which they responded and co-operated for ‘Aval appadiththaan’ is something commendable and unforgettable.
Rudrayah has a very wide knowledge on the best films of the international arena. He had strong opinions on many directors of other countries and the films that they had made. He used to discuss them with Kamal and Ananthu. Nallusaami, the cinematographer did have a taste for aesthetics and had a unique approach. He used to tell us about finer details of lighting effects in many Bergman movies.
Rudrayah and Nallusaami used to discuss the scenes to be shot for ‘Aval appadiththaan’ at least two or three days in advance. As for the dialogues, he used to tell me about the scene in detail. He would not be easily satisfied. He would ask for rewriting the lines, if he was not happy with what was written. He did not film ‘Aval appadiththaan’. He sculpted every frame. Ananthu used to visit every morning and also in the night. It was he who was responsible for the success of the characters played by Rajini and Sripriya. The shooting went on smoothly because almost all of the dialogues were ready by the time we went for the ‘take’. Even camera angles were pre-planned and there was not much difficulty in going ahead with the schedule, quickly and effortlessly.
Ilayaraja was an upcoming music director then. He used to be present right on dot at 8.00 am, on the days when he was to score music, along with Gangai Amaran. They would come to the office of Kumar Arts, together. Ilayaraja used to just roll one tune after the other from his harmonium even in those days, endlessly.
There is a song in the movie, sung by Sivachandran. ‘Panneer pushpangale’. Rudrayah gave me the cassette with the tune for the lyric and asked me to pen the lines for the tune. I tried my hand at it for one whole day. It was not my cup of tea to write lines for tunes. I could not do anything worth the while and returned the cassette to Rudrayah. Gangai Amaran then wrote the lines for the tune. Kannadasan wrote the song ‘Vaazhkai Odam sella.’
‘Aval appadiththaan’ was released on Deepavali that year. It was released in two theatres in Chennai. Kamadhenu and - I don’t remember correctly - either it was Emerald or Blue Diamond in the Safire theatre complex. I recollect vaguely that it was in the Safire theatre complex that ‘Aval appadiththaan’ was on show for more number of days than in Kamadhenu. Almost all newspapers and magazines were appreciative of the movie. But it was not a commercial hit, or at least a success, to our expectations. But, nonetheless, it has become a part of the list of select movies to remember in the history of Tamil films.
- From: raj (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Mon Jun 16 07:48:08 EDT 2003
but SCV plays Paneer Pushpangale where in Sivachandran acts & Voice given by KH
- From: Saravanan (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Mon Jun 16 07:51:12 EDT 2003
raj: I have seen 'Panner pushpangalae' song many times- its Kamal puffing away and singing--
- From: Naaz (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Mon Jun 16 08:57:08 EDT 2003
This is a memorable solo by KJY. I associate this song with two other solos: Nalla Manam Vazhga, and Azhage Azhagu Devadhai. What's to add? Ini Ellam Sugame! :-)
If the ending of SNSM (politically) puts Ganga back squarely in the back seat of the car again, Aval Appadiththan's Selvi asks the driver to stop the car and steps out on her own. As a metaphor for "agency" Selvi opts out of the system to chart her own course. Ganga wears white and consolidates that same system.
No worries. There will not be any ideological reading of AA this time around. I'm still pondering how I could have "pepped" my write-ups about SNSM (a novel about the social, sexual and psychological consequences of Rape) so that they were light and fluffy and not tir(ing) and depress(ing).
There was one more readied post in that analysis, but I've chosen to drop it in the name of levity.
"Azharaella? No, No Neenga Azhakoodadhu...please!"
- From: nagarajan (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Mon Jun 16 08:58:39 EDT 2003
i saw 'aval appadiththaan' in noon show at ega theatre - sometime in Nov 78
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