Topic started by Ilayaraaja For Earth 24 Hours (@ 220.127.116.11) on Mon Apr 29 01:35:32 EDT 2002.
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Has any of you had this feeling? Initially many things just feel stupid but later than sooner you just see how amazing that something is? In my case, it has happened to me with many a Ilayaraaja song and most particularly with the strange non-filmy album of the Maestro HOW TO NAME IT? Unlike many popular songs that appealed right away and felt stupid later on, How To Name IT suddenly took me by storm. Is it because I began to understand the science of music over the years and I needed that to truly appreciate the wavelength of thought and complexity of the compositions? Or, is it because there is no really great music out there anymore? Or, the film music is take a nowhere to go turn? Whatever said, I think How To Name It is IsaiGnani's answer to Bach's Brandberg's concertos and Vivaldi's Four Seasons put together!!!! All the 10 compositions are truly of a level that took me many years of musical listening to appreciate past Bach, Beethoven, Mozart and of course our own A R Rahman ;--) Now, I have to get hold of Nothing But Wind, cassette of which I gave off to someone because I thought the compositions were just inscrutable. Has any of you felt the same way like people like me have? I did have problems with India 24 Hours too? But, after a couple of years I listened to it again and my joy is unbounded. I heard IR was coming up with Moods of Ilayaraaja? What happened to it? I just can't wait to get hold of all the non-filmy albums of IR including the Symphony? My God, I can now believe the Saappadu IR was talking about. The film music was Appalam and Oorugai! Imagine that! I can't. My head is spinning at the thought of just taking my mind away from How To Name It? for some time to come!!!!
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- From: Arun (@ )
on: Wed Apr 21 22:05:40 EDT 2004
Where can we download India 24 hours album. Dear friends, somebody help me.
- From: 1 (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Thu Apr 22 03:58:07 EDT 2004
really a nice thread in this site after a long time
my feeling about the album was different
initially in jaya tv during the end credits of kaalai malar they use to play "study for violin" track from this album
i was asking many of my frineds about where can i get this music and who is the music director
some of them said that it is background score of some tamil movie
but once i heard this album in my next room in the hostel ,my friend had the cassette and immediately i heard and except "Study for violin" the other tracks puzzled me for some two months but after that my god i realised what a divine album it is
still i am holding this album and still i use to play it once in a week
i expect maestro to come up with such non cin instrumentals in the future
- From: raghu (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Thu Apr 22 07:06:47 EDT 2004
Notations in Carnatic music.
It is a popular misconception that carnatic music does not have advanced notation. I'm no authority in carnatic music, but I'll attempt sharing whatever I know. Any notated music, is useful only if 2 musicians interpreting the notation end-up with a result that is not very different ( plus or minus 2 %).
The first attempt at documenting carnatic music must have started with sa ri ga ma pa dha ni sa. Okay these are very basic notations which still gives a lot of ambiguites (the swara positions for the swaras ri,ga,ma,dha,ni are based on their ragams). So the next level of notation came when ragams and their swar positions were documented the first time (by Venkatamahi). So we had 72 Melakartha ragas and thousands of scientifically derivable janya ragas. Does a raga definition stop there. Obviously no. There are ragalaskhanas for each raagam which clearly indicate the microtonal variations for each raagam. For example the swaram GA in shanmugapriya is sung by quickly oscillating between Ri and Ga. That is if you have a keyboard the musical notation for the GA swaram in shanmugapriya is (ri-ga-ri-ga). Ragalakshanas to my knowledge are the richest of the notations available in carnatic music. You might wonder what is the oscillation stuff and are there different types of oscillations.
The questions are answered in the seminal work "Sangeetha Sampradaya Shastra" by Subbarama Dikshithar (I managed to get volume IV from Music academy last year for a paltry Rs 25, could not beleive my eyes or my luck). The author goes on to explain the 15 different types of oscillations (gamakams) and goes on to notate popular krithis for the various melakartha ragams.
Validation of the musical notation.
Another question arises. How can I scientifically verify whether these notations are sufficiently rich or not. Theorectically as long as the practising musicians don't endorse the notations, what guarantee exists that the notations sufficiently capture the depth of the carnatic music idiom.
I got the answer to this question too when I bought a carnatic music software called Rasika-Gayaka. The software writer has used the musical notations of Subbrarama Shastri as the buidling blocks of his software. The software takes musical notations as input and produces sound (in flute or veena) as output. So one can give a simple notepad file (containing the detailed notations for any krithi) as input to this software and it is capable of producing sound (similar to the notated krithi) with all the wonderful carnatic idioms. This is the ultimate benchmark by which the richness of the notation and its correspondence to the music in practice can be judged. To an amateur rasika like me, there is not much of a difference.
I'm fairly certain that our musical notation may not be as rich as the WCM, but points to remember
1. WCM does not have microtonal variations like carnatic music. It is these microtonal variations which are the most difficult to notate.
2. WCM notation has been in vogue for a long enough time to undergo testing, practice, validation and revisions. Carnatic music notations are relatively much younger.
- From: Sridhar (@ )
on: Wed May 19 04:04:20 EDT 2004
Good sharing raghu. Why we shld not we take this forward?
- From: Satish (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Wed May 19 11:16:36 EDT 2004
Has "India 24 Hours" been released as a CD? If yes, where can I get it in Chennai?
- From: Kisna (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Thu May 20 09:09:40 EDT 2004
You can order it from Project GEM.
- From: rasigan (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Mon May 24 05:19:20 EDT 2004
Here is the link to order for I24H
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