Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.

1   2   3   4   5   6   7  8   9  10  11  12
S  R1  R2  R3  G3  M1  M2  P  D1  D2  D3  N3
       G1  G2                     N1  N2

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• From: srini (@ 203.197.145.1) on: Tue Oct 12 18:35:16 EDT 2004
  
  What happened to our Tfm? gone are the days when i saw atleast 10 new postings everyday. For the past two weeks, its hard to see even one new posting a day.
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Wed Oct 13 00:45:19 EDT 2004
  
  
  srini,
  
  enakku oru asareeri sollichi...only if u talk abt gana ragas, "knowledgeable" people will participate.
  
  Source of that asareeri http://www.forumhub.com/indcmusic/10768.09.41.42.html
  
  :-))))
  
  
• From: Indrajith (@ 203.145.157.94) on: Wed Oct 13 05:51:25 EDT 2004
  
  I partially agree with UnbiasedFan. Talking about ragas like Katyayani, Niroshta, kadhambini alone does not make one cool. Might be should stop talking of notes and get in to the real things.
  I agree with the name list he has provided for being Pro IR always.
  
  Might be this is not a place for people who are Pro Carnatic. LOL.
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Wed Oct 13 09:10:47 EDT 2004
  
  Just because one doesnt have many keerthanais to fall back upon to make scholarly comparisons, it does not take away anything from a film song painstakingly or (rather effortlessly) created in a particular "rare scale", like kathyayini.
  
  As "unbiased_fan" is right when he says he wants to talk abt "gana ragas", dont lesser souls like us have the liberty to be excited abt "rare scales"?
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Wed Oct 13 09:11:59 EDT 2004
  
  For each, HIS OWN....right?
  
  
• From: srini (@ 203.197.145.1) on: Wed Oct 13 16:01:58 EDT 2004
  
  I totally agree with Vel. Songs in kalyani or hamsadwani or charukesi can be discussed at the comfort of one's home.It does nt warrant a forum like this. This forum shud be used to discuss usages of rare ragas in film songs so that people like me who only have awareness of carnatic music and are not experts at it, can benefit from this forum.
  
  Also, I would totally disagree with 'unbiasedfan'. IR is a prodigy in music. I cant think of an MD who has used carnatic music in films in such a marvellous manner. I dont deny that other MD's have also used ragas in their songs. but, WHO THE HECK CARES??.
  I just cant think of a number like 'Sorgame endralum' from 'ooru vittu ooru vanthu', where IR has used hamsanadham in a folk styled song. Simply Stupendous!!!. No music director in this world can even try to match IR. This forum has to be IR centric. I dont find even a single reason to deviate our focus from IR.
  
  
• From: srini (@ 203.197.145.1) on: Wed Oct 13 19:20:26 EDT 2004
  
  Is the song 'Metti oli katrodu' from metti oli based on pure hindolam?
  
  
• From: srini (@ 203.197.145.1) on: Wed Oct 13 19:58:55 EDT 2004
  
  what raga is the song 'Partha vizhi partha' from guna based on?. Is it chandrajyothi or paavani?.
  Also, plz tell me the difference between CJ and paavani
  (sorry if this has been discussed earlier)
  
  
• From: purv (@ 137.140.142.87) on: Wed Oct 13 20:28:26 EDT 2004
  
  No, srini. 'Metti Oli Kaatrodu' is based on Jog, a Hindusthani raagam. This raagam uses the notes Shadjam, Sathsruthi Rishabam, Anthaara Gaandhaaram, Sudha Madhyamam, Panjamam, and Kaishika Nishaadam. It may also contain Kakali Nishaadam. Essentially, Jog is a juxtaposition of raagas Sudhadhanyasi and Saavithri, as demonstrated in the song 'Metti Oli Kaatrodu.'
  
  'Paartha Vizhi Paartha' is based on Paavani raagam, because of the presence of Ni3. Take away the Ni3 and you would have Chandrajothi. That is the difference between Paavani and CJ.
  
  
  
  BTW, what does the phrase 'Gaana Raagam' mean? I've always wondered.
  
  
• From: myth (@ 193.88.72.179) on: Thu Oct 14 04:39:43 EDT 2004
  
  'Gaana Raagam' ? purv, probably Deva's own :))
  
  
• From: srini (@ 203.197.145.1) on: Thu Oct 14 11:30:33 EDT 2004
  
  Thanks Purv, are there any songs in chandrajyothi by IR?
  
  
• From: purv (@ 137.140.142.87) on: Thu Oct 14 13:06:09 EDT 2004
  
  'Nanmai Nazhgum' in the dubbed movie 'Ezhumalaiyin Mahimai' is based on Chandrajothi raagam. I'm not at all sure if there were any other compositions in this raaga by other composers.
  
  
• From: srini (@ 203.197.145.1) on: Thu Oct 14 15:13:02 EDT 2004
  
  Purv, I would also like to know if there are any songs set in valachi. I know a lot of songs set in malayamarutham. But valachi??
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu Oct 14 17:06:34 EDT 2004
  
  srini-
  
  --pongum kadalosai is valachi.
  --anbu nadamadum kalai koodame starts with valachi.
  --he interlude in 'unnai kaanadha kannum kannalla' kr vijaya, ravichandran is (has) valachi.
  
  
• From: srini (@ 203.197.145.1) on: Thu Oct 14 17:30:47 EDT 2004
  
  Thank u haris, But i dont know the film names of these songs. Can u plz help me out?
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu Oct 14 20:54:44 EDT 2004
  
  --pongum kadalosai - meenava nanban (http://musicindiaonline.com/l/26/s/movie_name.4821/)
  
  --anbu nadamadum kalai koodame - avan thaan manidhan (http://musicindiaonline.com/l/26/s/movie_name.4122/)
  
  --unnai kaanadha kannum kannalla - idhaya kamalam - (http://www.dhool.com/html/movie/idhayak_kamalam.html)
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Fri Oct 15 01:08:42 EDT 2004
  
  purv,
  
  Given the lay man that u know i am, i hazard a definition here...
  
  gana ragas literaly translated means "heavy" ragas. These are characterised by heavy gamakka usages and intricate phrases that very typically characterize the raga.
  
  bhairavi, shanmugapriya, thodi, shankarabharanam, hamir kalyani, dharbari....
  
  Srini,
  Before it tends to get unpleasant (this Pro-IR thing), lets not to react anymore (here) on this topic, in this thread . You may try the link i posted earlier...that thread is really meant for people who are IR centric :-)
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Fri Oct 15 01:12:47 EDT 2004
  
  Typo
  
  "...lets not react anymore..."
  
  
• From: srini (@ 203.197.145.1) on: Fri Oct 15 12:09:04 EDT 2004
  
  Haris,
  Thanks a lot.
  Vel,
  True. Will do.
  
  
• From: purv (@ 137.140.142.87) on: Fri Oct 15 19:34:26 EDT 2004
  
  I heard that Aarabhi and Sindhu Bhairavi are also gana raagas.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Fri Oct 15 21:41:25 EDT 2004
  
  I dont think hamir kalyani is a gana ragam.
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Sat Oct 16 00:58:13 EDT 2004
  
  haris,
  
  ravi shankar oru interview'la sonnar...adhai thaan naan sonnen.
  
  
  
• From: Sai (@ 61.6.60.199) on: Sat Oct 16 11:04:10 EDT 2004
  
  oru poo yeludhum kavithai IS hamsanadham . . please listen carefully . . .
  
  
• From: rajeshrs_tvm (@ 202.88.234.35) on: Mon Oct 18 03:33:33 EDT 2004
  
  Thavamindri Kidaitha Varame"--(Film:Anbu/VIdyasagar)
  Pls confirm whether this song strictly follows
  dharmavathy..
  
  
• From: Srini (@ 203.197.145.1) on: Mon Oct 18 11:10:16 EDT 2004
  
  Illaye sai, Its looks like Hamsadwani. May be i shud listen to it a couple of times again.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Mon Oct 18 13:31:00 EDT 2004
  
  srini/sai- Where can i hear to 'oru poo ezhudhum kavidhai' in the net? Musicindiaonline doesnt seem to have that song.
  
  
• From: srini (@ 203.197.145.1) on: Mon Oct 18 16:43:10 EDT 2004
  
  Haris,
  Check this out:
  http://www.tamilsongs.net/page/build/album/Pooveli/index.html
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Mon Oct 18 18:24:40 EDT 2004
  
  'oru poo ezhudhum kavidhai' is definitely not hamsadwani. It is majorly hamsanadham and i'm sure there are lot of anya swarams. mainly when UK improvises towards the end of the song.
  
  Srini- Do this. Listen to 'enakkena erkanave' from parthen rasithen and 'poovasam veesum kanne' from anbe sivam and then listen to this song. As let know what you feel.
  
  The difference between hamsadhwani and hamsanadham - swara wise - is not much. hamsanadham uses M2 where hamsadhwani uses G3. But bhavam and feelwise, they are a world apart. But, it is possible to get deceived because of their closeness in arohanam/avarohanam.
  
  
• From: Indrajith (@ 203.145.157.94) on: Tue Oct 19 02:31:38 EDT 2004
  
  HAMSADWANI IS DIFFERENT
  HAMSANADHAM IS DIFFERENT
  COMMON THING YOU CAN SAY IS THAT BOTH HAS "HAMSA" IN THEIR NAMES.
  YOU HAVE GUTS TO COMPARE THOSE TWO.
  LOL.