Topic started by rvc (@ 126.96.36.199) on Mon Apr 9 13:29:27 EDT 2001.
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this was my response to the thread Has ARR ever inspired bry IR ? But i felt this could do with a little more talk ! guys please let me know if the tfm world can go on wo the discussion about who is really genius material and who isnt ? agreed guys : IR is a genius but to appreciate that fact why does someone else always have to be put down ? in this case ARR .then by that merit is IR only genius material in comparison to ARR ? ARR has no pretentions about what he is doing and has never mentioned that he is the KING of the music world and has never in our knowledge called himself raagadevan or isaignani or maestro etc. this is no argument to defend ARR but just to put certain things in perspective. who denied IR his elelvated place in the tfm world after the entrance of ARR ? IF IR could have, then why didnt he stop the march of the other mds..? OF COURSE the very presence of scores of mediocre guys around doesnt mean that IR's stature is diminished but there is no point crying foul about the digital music and the analogies of Beethoven and Mozart are only to our own undoing. guys lets leave them alone. If some good music comes from some direction let us appreciate it. IR couldnt stop his own sons from getting in to the digital music and the synthesizer aided trash and dishing out pathetic fare called music( YSr's score for some old sharath kumar movie is a disgrace). the coming of digital music and the style of composition was to be the cyclic pattern for a particular period in tfm history. things will change and there will definitely be a different kind of music happening in the next decade or so. If polishing a song for several days or toiling hard for a 5 minutes jingle is not genius , then it it surely is not being marketed as genius either.people who work with ARR know that he takes that long and comes up scores resembling some already existing numbers! if they are still doing it and paying for it too then they sure must be getting something in return dont they..? no body works with ARR for charity . Junta is not stupid to put up with trash for long.if he is cheating people with recyled tunes he will definitely have his comeuppance! but instead of being this dismissive of his talents why cant we all plainly have some good informed criticism for some one who works hard and admits to his limitations..?
for those of u die hard IR fans, who on top of their voices shout that he is THE thing ,do u guys have any reason to say that aloud that the sun rises in the east ? it is a proven established fact aint it..? Then why does he go over and tell an audience about how unbeleivably great his music is and how he just had to put up with morons who had no sense of music at all in them ..? the kumudam interview ( or it was his sharing of thoughts in some function) he has certainly made himself seem very very hypocritical and outright ungrateful to the tfm world!what is he trying to tell us all by decalring that he is the god of music and no moron in this tfm world has had the vision to identify the genius in him and it took some conductor in hungary to realise the genius in him etc..? can somebody tell him that it is because of the tfm world only he was taken to hungary and some f*** all composer showered praises on him ! and for his great symphony...where is it guys..? has anyone heard it all these years..if his music was that great then it must have had a grand relaese all over the world. if not for any politicking firang, some desi tfm moron would have definitely marketed it and released it..?( after all the kamalahaasans of this world are still alive ) why has that not happened. it was because of IR's high handed ness he fell from glory and it is because f the same he is again inviting ignominy.
- From: Common Friend (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Mon Apr 9 14:09:13 EDT 2001
and for his great symphony...where is it guys..?
You cannot ask this question and expect an answer immediately. What do you think? I am much senior to you in this forum (over this question)? My first query to this forum is regarding this symphony and I am yet to get a clear answer. I won't allow them to answer you in first place. I diserve to get an answer to this question first. I am ready to wait for another 9 years.
- From: rvc (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Mon Apr 9 14:17:32 EDT 2001
ha ha good one..pls let me know when u have an answer..!!
- From: Arasu (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Mon Apr 9 17:36:58 EDT 2001
Good thread.. What next ?!!!
- From: Travis (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Mon Apr 9 18:19:33 EDT 2001
There are no answers to few questions from the hcirfs in this df.
1) where is his symphony?
surely as pointed out in the thread, if it was that extraordinary, it sure would have been released by someone....
2) they say raja has never been sidelined by rahman and others. if so, why doesnt raja generate as much draw on tn people as before? for which no answer.. well, raja can convince himself he has done the same quality stuff now also but somehow in the process with the advent of rahman & co., the general music taste has stooped down so much and thats the sole reason why no one is listening to most (i stress most, and not all) albums of his!!! (i like this answer, the public is stoopid!!)
3) If he is so disgusted with what he has done all his life by serving appalam and urgais to tfm people, what prevents him from pursuing higher strata of music?. no answer... but we get the same rhetoric... i feel he has money enough. Sony and bmg will be more than happy to release a great album from raja. Moreover, even if the directors of indian recording companies dont want to release, sure he has his own company ,raja records or something.
I am sure, this would thread will bring in more flames, but I am sure rvc and karthik, we will not have our answers... but just rhetorics..we will be made into believing that we are not made of the music material to appreciate recent raja music...
- From: sabesan (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Mon Apr 9 18:31:53 EDT 2001
Travis - as u said this thread will bring in more flames - because that's what has been THROWN by the person who started this thread and others.....
- From: hari (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Mon Apr 9 20:25:27 EDT 2001
Why do ir fans go around trying to convince everyone that ir is the greatest? And shouting at ARR fans...
why do arr fans go around countering these arguments? And pouring sarcasm on their counterparts...and on symphony...
why do "fans of music" spend a lot of time starting threads like this, and trying to advise everyone that u shudnt compare etc etc..?
why dont people just listen to the music they like and be happy?
why , why , why???
why am i posting this?
ans: because i have nothing better to do ??
Actually, thats only partially right ! :-)
I would say, I do learn a lot of technical things in this forum. I also enjoy reading funny postings. I find it a good place to see links of interviews from artistes. Good does come out of some arguments too.
Humble vEndugOL - if u think for a minute, i guess ull realise that a thread like this serves ABSOLUTELY NO PURPOSE at all.. at least, one could post in one of the old threads.
A million contradictions in the thread title write-up itself - adheppadi sir.. why dont people stop comparing.. come on guys, ill put things in perspective blah blah, trash IR, blah blah....people are not fools, why was IR not able to maintain his positions.. blah blah, trash IR, .. blah blah, please dont compare, lets discuss their music,.. blah... appaLam oorugai kadhai !!! aiyyOOOOO...
The aranja maavu has aranjufied a million times, and pooththufied, so it has to be thookki yerunjufied. admin, please yEdhAvadhu paNNify !!
- From: Fliflo (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Mon Apr 9 21:07:43 EDT 2001
a bunch of ***** barking and expect others to bark... does anybody want to waste their energy on this useless piece of crap??
- From: Karthik S (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Mon Apr 9 23:55:24 EDT 2001
No point dismissing this thread and brushing aside a few valid questions - for the n'th time!
But I do have another angle to it...Kamalhassan is a self-confessed HCIRF and loves working with IR for every movie of his possible.
Then there are rumours of he not wanting ARR to compose for Robot, but Shankar insisting on ARR alone and so on.
So why does Kamal sing for KR in Ullasam, when KR's music sounds like ARR's clone. Or why does Kamal get Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy to compose for Aalavandaan? Again, SEL are self confessed fans of ARR and mould their music along the same lines.
Worse, Kamal does not have a problem with Deva scoring trash for his movies (say, avvai shanmugi) where songs are copied too!
But he has a problem against Rahman! Wow! Some problem, this! Just shows the people around IR are no different.
- From: eden (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Tue Apr 10 01:42:57 EDT 2001
Karthik S: You got to admit that the DF'ers (which has majority HCIRFs as the top ten would prove time and again) are more vocal than any in condemning Deva...in which they are very much unlike Kamal:-)
- From: Kupps (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Tue Apr 10 03:33:20 EDT 2001
this was my response to the thread Has ARR ever inspired by IR ?
if this thread treats the has ARR ever inspired by IR as a HCIRF thread, then i would like to say thats wrong impression. it was a thread started to know whether ARR has got any inspiration from IR (or viceversa??, because from the thread's nomenculature im bit confused). It did not want to prove anything. Its a thread like Copying in TFM. The argument(s) made there might not be fully adhering to the purpose of the thread. This thread IMHO was not started having any 'hidden agenda'.
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