Topic started by Badri Raghavan (@ 18.104.22.168) on Thu May 21 05:15:52 EDT 1998.
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Deva has proved himself to be a success in imitation. that is too general a statement. let us list his various songs and their originals in whatever language they may be.
- From: raja m (@ ww-ti03.proxy.aol.com)
on: Thu May 21 08:40:24 EDT 1998
I remember we had a thread titled Deva Exposed, where the same thing was discussed.
- From: vijay (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Thu May 21 14:11:02 EDT 1998
deva's inspirations so far:
5. carnatic kirthanais like 'manavyalakin'
6. bob marley
7. slogams like sashti and thirupaavai
and many more.....
indeed our man deva is a man of many inspirations!
- From: pg (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Thu May 21 14:43:33 EDT 1998
the rock group Genesis
- From: Gokul (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Fri May 22 06:53:11 EDT 1998
What did he Copy from Genesis?
Wow.. Deva is a Far-Reaching Dude!:-)
- From: pg (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Fri May 22 08:18:20 EDT 1998
A song in Asai - meenamma - is inspired from 'Home by the Sea' song in the album Genesis by Genesis. (This album is a GREAT rock album).
- From: vijay (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Fri May 22 12:49:52 EDT 1998
no, the song he copied from genesis was 'mama'.the interludes in 'meenamma' are a direct lift from
the song 'mama'.the song was still good because the original is too good. in the same film 'thilothamma' was copied from ofra haza.deva is the only MD to create an album of hits all of which are flicks.hats off to deva!
- From: aruLarasan (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Fri May 22 15:53:20 EDT 1998
throw stones at me but to my ears mInammA sounds thousand times more pleasing
- From: udhaya (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Fri May 22 16:21:43 EDT 1998
Deva uses traces of the opening chorus from one of the tunes from "The Lion King" soundtrack and right after the chorus, he goes to the thundering rhythms from the Michael Jackson song which begins, "Can you hear me". But then, coursing through the rhythm is a nice keyboard interlude which launches the song, "En Manadhai Kollaiyadithavalae" which I read somewhere is based on a classic Carnatic ragam. Now, I agree with most that the splicing is not as smooth as IR's or ARR's songs, but "En Manathai Kollaiyadithavalae" is a damn nice pop song. It is not a keerthanai, not a sacred melody. I think Deva has owned up to his copying, so what's the problem here? I agree with aruLarasan that Minamma is a lot better than MAMA. Genesis has made some great tunes including "That's All" from the same album as MAMA, but I didn't care for the song MAMA.
- From: vijay (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Fri May 22 17:10:33 EDT 1998
"pulveli pulveli" guitar tune from a rod stewart song! iam sure that all the other songs of his only two hits aasai and nerukku ner are also copies.
- From: Indian (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Sat May 23 14:43:15 EDT 1998
please tell me the song, "En Manadhai Kollaiyadithavalae" from which film. Just to listen that's all. And for deva's inspiration list add L subramaniam whose violin piece from "superinstinct" was lifted as an 'inspiration' for the song 'manamvirumbute' from nerkkuner.
- From: Udhaya (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Sun May 24 14:14:17 EDT 1998
Indian, I believe the movie, "Kalloori Vaasal" has the song "En Manathai Kollaiyadithavalae".
- From: Buddy (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Sun May 24 22:00:11 EDT 1998
By the way En Manathai from Kallori Vasal is a lift from "Will you be there" a song by MJ from the movie Free Willy.
- From: Amma (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Mon May 25 01:06:01 EDT 1998
Deva sure is a man of many inspirations. In 'Manam Virumbuthey' he has lifted the percussion bit from the title music of "Surabhi" a popular cultural show on Doordarshan.
BobMarley, Genesis, ARR yes. But a title music from a TV show ? Who'd ever have thought of that ??
Kudos to Deva ! Photocopying business' loss is TFM's gain !
- From: haris (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Wed May 27 00:22:19 EDT 1998
The starting music(violin chorus) of the song annAmala annAmala from the film annAmalai is one other lift of deva from a symphony by beeth'n or moz't(i dont' remember).
Also the rhythm(or beat) for the song malligaye! malligaye! from the film ninaithEn vandhAi is of the song Ek ladki kO dhEkA thO from the hindi film 1942 ALS(MD:RDB).
- From: vijay (@ 126.96.36.199) on: Tue Jun 2 02:16:49 EDT 1998
another feather in deva's cap! refer to latest kumudham review of sandosham.it seems deva had directly lifted paul young's 'every time u go away' and had used it in his BGM for the movie sandosham.
earlier AR rahman had used paul young's beat loops from the song 'love of common people' in 2 of his songs, 'malargale' in lovebirds and 'akkadaanu' in indian.anyway iam happy that 2 of the greatest works of paul have been 'honoured' by our MD's.
- From: fix_italics (@ 188.8.131.52) on: Tue Jun 2 05:10:06 EDT 1998
- From: again (@ 184.108.40.206) on: Tue Jun 2 05:11:39 EDT 1998
- From: vijay (@ 220.127.116.11) on: Tue Jun 2 02:16:49 EDT 1998
- From: Dev Mannemela (@ tide16.microsoft.com)
on: Wed Jun 3 00:15:21 EDT 1998
The song "Malligaye Malligaye" from Ninaithen Vandhai is a direct lift from the telugu version of the movie ("Pelli Sandadi"); Music by Keeravani.
BTW the song is almost a complete lift (the first line of the tune was modified.., including the beats (which in turn were "influenced" by Ek Ladki Ko Dekha To :-))
"Pelli Sandadi" had some very good songs and
the movie itself was a huge hit..
The hindi version of the movie "Mere Sapnon Ki Rani" bombed badly though..
- From: SARA (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Wed Jun 3 11:10:16 EDT 1998
Pls listen and enjoy Deva SArs songs rather than investigating where he has copied it.
I believe we should criticise but not condem his efforts. Take as enjoying a english/telugu/malayalam songs in a tamil version by Deva.
However I still not much happy about the direct lifts by him ex AKILA AKILA (Buffalo Soldier). Illayaraja said that noone can produce a new out of the world songs since all of them lies in SA...................NI. So let Deva SAr keep trying.
He has also given plenty good GANA songs.I believe alot of us love his GANAS.
LET HIM GIVE MORE OF THIS COPY CATs AS FAR AS ITS DONE IN GOOD TAMIL.
- From: Sai Satheesh (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Thu Jun 4 14:36:47 EDT 1998
Deva's latest flick Priyamudam has a song which is a straight lift of Chandni O chandni from chandni.
This song is in the TOP ten of India Direct. He is a living proof of the saying Make hay while the sun shines. Just copy songs and make money.
- From: arvind (@ oxhp.com)
on: Thu Jun 4 15:28:23 EDT 1998
a couple of songs in avvai shanmugi
velai velai and one more song are a direct lift from english songs, even the song in engenge engenge, and onemore song from nerukku ner is a lift from english song
- From: ^%*$#*@# (@ bones.deneb.com)
on: Fri Jun 5 05:51:56 EDT 1998
- From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate7.ca.us.ibm.com)
on: Fri Jun 5 12:13:54 EDT 1998
Deva veetila N-iraya 100 kaNNaka Music books, CDs, Tapes ellam irukkam ellamE Foregin Music samandha pattadham. AvarE sollarar, "ennaku keLvi gyanam than uNdu, N-an padichadhai, kettathai music-a podarEn.."-nu sollarar.
Almost Deva-voda music ellamE kadaithedutha 'COPY'than.
He used the the tune of "The Lion King" in the film Amaravathi, Vivaldi in Bhasha. The song "Thanga magan ingu..."..
But some of his songs are very good. Just enjoy good songs from Deva... don't search for the origin.
- From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu)
on: Fri Jun 5 18:12:17 EDT 1998
I'm listening to ninaithEn vandhai and all the songs are good. Most of them
remind me of some old song (my memory fails me) but these songs are good enough
to prevent me from distracting.
There is one song which starts with sAmja vara gamanA and then he gives his
own interpretation of hindhOLam. dhEvA, keep it up.
- From: Indira (@ )
on: Wed Nov 8 01:05:09 EST 2000
- From: G. Kuppusamy (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Wed Nov 8 01:46:50 EST 2000
Prakash Balakrishnan, I think Balabarathy is the MD for Amaraavathi and not Deva. Balabarathy is the guy who scored for the film "Thalaivaasal".
- From: nvd (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Wed Nov 8 04:28:15 EST 2000
You see..Deva copied exactly in HehHeh Kichi Kilihey in MUGAVARI. But our young talent YSR put in some effort and genius (& melody too!) in his latest RISHI. Listen to 'Vaa Vaa' by Hariharan/S.Janaki. The very first part of the song. And compare with the Pallavi tune in 'HehHeh Kichi Kilihey'. Thats Raajas talent. Accept it yaar.
- From: kiru (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Thu Nov 9 11:24:56 EST 2000
For all the flak Deva gets here, I think he is not that bad. He seems to be a talented guy and enjoys his work. I dont condone plagiarisation but you can tell certain copying was done very well (Rod Stewart song, Vivaldi etc). The melodies also flow smoothly. If he trusts his talents well and works hard he can do very well.
I only wish all MDs in TFM had almost comparable recording styles. This would remove another variable between various MDs works.
In Deva's recording, one can tell the sequencers and real instruments. Also, he seems to use the same kind of reverb for the vocals all the time, so the vocals and instruments do not mix very well.
I hope the new sound engineering schools produce good graduates. There also seems to be good business opportunities in India for sound/recording equipment dealerships.
- From: Billa (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Thu Nov 9 12:40:22 EST 2000
ninaithEn vanthaai is a remake of a famous telugu movie.(I forgot the name). All the songs and the tunes were in that telugu movie. I have heard them two years before NinaithEn vanthaai. Long live deva!!
- From: aruLaracan (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Thu Nov 9 14:25:35 EST 2000
thanks. (i have immensely forgotten that song :-)) )
- From: Venki (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Thu Nov 9 15:16:02 EST 2000
Read what The Hindu says about deva, in Seenu
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