Topic started by kumar (@ 184.108.40.206) on Fri Sep 28 09:10:07 EDT 2001.
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read a.v.ramanan's interview.he tells how illaiyaraja curtly silenced him.very pathetic to read.
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- From: S T S (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Sun Sep 30 12:39:58 EDT 2001
Where ever you are. Take care. US Commandos are looking for you :-) If only IR had given a chance to AVR, he would have been jobless for 20 years now :-)
- From: hari (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Sun Sep 30 15:08:47 EDT 2001
This is an info I have heard from my friend who was a student of IR's guitarist Sadanandham. I think it is weel known that IR puzhunjufies his singers and extracts what he wants out of them. Apparently singers like Chithra are too good at this.. she can come and sing exactly what Raja wants without too much effort. However, this was apparently a weakness for AV Ramanan, he was not so good at picking up the nuances fast, which is what Raja wanted. This is what I heard, just sharing info. I am not taking responsibility for the credibility of Sadanandham or my friend, and I will not reply to any post challenging this piece of information.
- From: Ram Kumar (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Sun Sep 30 16:15:44 EDT 2001
AVR had mentioned in one of his saptha swarangal programs that when IR met him in the recording studio once he mentioned to AVR "yday we recorded a very difficult number.. it was sung by your wife and yesudoss.. i should say that she did an excellent job in that number".. apparently, AVR was referring to aagaaya vennilaave from arangetra velai..
This probably means that IR himself didnt have any ill-feelings about AVR personally after that incident ( refusing AVR's request )..
- From: KavipPiriyan (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Mon Oct 1 00:53:04 EDT 2001
AVR is a good singer , may even better than JC, CB and the likes. He ought to have been given more songs by IR than how many he was. But balu was peaking in late 70's and early 80's with other front line singers like MV,KJY,SNS,JC and CB doing part time job for IR whenever he wished. In IR's list of priorities for Kamal, Rajini, Mohan movies, AVR would feature somewhere at the bottom. MSV didn't care much for AVR in early 70's and so did IR. AVR is certainly a better singer with clear pronounciation than Udit,HH,Sukhvinder,... on any day.
- From: Normal Man (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Mon Oct 1 03:36:11 EDT 2001
But IR did not use Udit and Sukhwinder either.
Cut the crap folks. AVR was not used by any MD and why point to IR alone for not giving chances. Its like people cribbing that "N one gave me a chance to work for Sun/Microsoft". Sarakku irundha (with huge hype these days) everyone will be noticed and recognized.
- From: Fliflo (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Mon Oct 1 16:32:15 EDT 2001
If IR had not given a chance, AVR should approach Deva, Sirpi, ARR, etc...Eager to know Who would prefer AVR...
- From: Trend (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Mon Oct 1 17:48:37 EDT 2001
I think AVR's primary intention was to sing a duet with his wife rather than he getting a chance by himself.
I think what IR meant when he said "your wife singing .... jaasthi" is I can manage a song with one bad singer but not two.
If ARR uses AVR then others like Deva,Sirpi,KR and YSR will follow ARR in using AVR.
- From: UVII (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Mon Oct 1 18:04:39 EDT 2001
"if ARR uses AVR" - Ithu nadakumaa?
- From: KS (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Mon Oct 1 18:39:11 EDT 2001
Trend, why do u make me feel as though u r...anyways, forget it!!
- From: mahabs (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Tue Oct 2 01:12:09 EDT 2001
your logic is confusing.
why should ir give uma chances if he felt that her voice is not good enough?
probably, he meant that with such heavy competitions around, uma's numbers were high.
but, imho uma's voice is better than sj's.
- From: vijayanand (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Tue Oct 2 02:33:18 EDT 2001
Illayaraja according to me is a person with head weight....though he is good in music...it is tarnished by his high headedness....
- From: Nimal (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Tue Oct 2 02:58:18 EDT 2001
I don't feel that people should hate I.R for his character. We only buy his cd's for the quality of music. Who cares if he is arrogant or friendly or indifferent. We only know him for his music and unless any of you have personally met I.R and he has been arrogant to you, I feel you shouldn't pass judgement on such a great icon.
- From: mani (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Tue Oct 2 04:27:14 EDT 2001
People always 'like' to call that IR is arrogant.. ARR is nicer etc. (earlier in some threads i happen to read these and people used to quote ARR's friendliness with the press etc).
Well, how many times did ARR quoted that he worked with IR? and Compare it with Harris Jeyaraj!!! Who is having heavy headedness!
just my views...
- From: Fliflo (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Tue Oct 2 08:47:46 EDT 2001
"Illayaraja according to me is a person with head weight"
FYI, he doesn't have even a bit of hair to contribute anything to his head weight..on the other hand how does ARR's head look....So you don't have a point...:}}
- From: Kannan (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Tue Oct 2 09:33:15 EDT 2001
AVR seems to dwell in his own world of self-obsession. Also, it's wee bit irritating to see a man proclaiming himself to be capable of such heights that have been denied (in his own statement) intentionally by MDs. As far as I can see, he just wants a free ride with his wife's success instead of trying to achieve his own!
And it's pathetic to see a man crib..... Especially when it comes to some one who is incapable or should I say incompetent of achieving the heights many great artistes...!
The message I got from the interview is that IR personally laid himself as the stumbling block to AVRs success???.... Now even if u hate IR.. Would u really say that its possible especially when we have so many MDs competing for their fair share? And to top, that no one would have forgotten the drift between SPB and IR and during the early 90s. And yet SPB was still singing in the industry while IR was actively encouraging mano. The point is even if you have fallen ill of someone so influential as IR at his time, if you have talent you never cease to exist.
May be, AVR would come up with a better bull next time he gets a chance to bash some one..... Or may be he wouldn't get one at all!
- From: Bharath (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Tue Oct 2 11:26:14 EDT 2001
yamma! this thread is soon degrading into an IR bash thread :-)
in any case i liked uma ramanans voice. i also agree with mahabs in that i like her better than sj.
- From: Trend (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Tue Oct 2 12:11:10 EDT 2001
"why do u make me feel as though u r...anyways, forget it!!"
I'd like to learn more myself.Please let me know what is it you really wanted to say?
"why should ir give uma chances if he felt that her voice is not good enough?"
I wish I knew the answer to that.Maybe IR thought she offered more variety to his choice of (speculation-free) singers(SJ,PS).
- From: KS (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Tue Oct 2 12:24:57 EDT 2001
vendaam...maybe some other time...actually, this is not the place...something personal (U)!!!
- From: Bharath (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Tue Oct 2 12:44:37 EDT 2001
KS & Trend,
aaaah! nenga rendu perum!!! aaah ooohhh seri venam... namakku ethukku :-)
kali muthidthu da ambi kali muthidthu...:-)
- From: Trend (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Tue Oct 2 12:49:35 EDT 2001
Whatever you say!Email me if you can.Thanks.
PS:That's my genuine email address(though it may sound weird!):-)
- From: unmaivilambi (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Tue Oct 2 14:37:24 EDT 2001
Everybody knows that IR holds grudges against people who have hurt him in the past eg TMS,PS etc. Anyway what is wrong in that? Any artiste would like to work with guys with whom they are comfortable. Did not ARR throw out vairamuthu? Anyway as IR said he gave more songs to Uma Ramanan than she deserved inspite of talented people like SJ, PS, VJ,Chithra, Swarnalatha being around. I think AVR is some average light music singer who does not deserve such a lengthy discussion. Just ignore him
- From: hihi:-) (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Tue Oct 2 17:39:48 EDT 2001
kambam vITTuk kaTTut taRiyum kavi pATum. AVR mentions IR's name in an interview and lo we have two - three pages of discussion! :-))
- From: G.Ragavan (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Thu Oct 4 00:52:13 EDT 2001
If AVR and UR had sung a duet that could have been better than SPB-SPS duet under IR. I wonder how SPB and SPS sung the song "Maaman Oru Naal". And one more is Vijai-Shoba song "Bombai Kutti". Karumamda samy.
- From: NagaS (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Thu Oct 4 03:26:23 EDT 2001
'Maaman Oru NaaL' song is one of my Fav.s :-)
I feel the tune, vocals, lyrics ... everything is very opt to the situation.,
What about 'Thottapetta rottu maelee muttai Parota' by Vijay - Shoba ? ;-)
- From: Karthik S (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Thu Oct 4 05:38:10 EDT 2001
Ilayaraja - a monumental genius
Genius is a much-misused word, probably as much as love and friendship. I have interacted with one genius (T R Mahalingam, Flute Mali to his fans) and admired from afar another (John McEnroe). Both were mavericks with a rage for perfection. Their constant fear was not living up to the stringent standards they had set for themselves. A genius is one who doles out equal doses of the sublime and the ridiculous. If you want to experience the former, you had to endure the latter.
Another genius whose career I have watched closely is Ilayaraja. The first time I saw him at work was at the song recording of Payanangal Mudiyuvadhillai, a film that catapulted him and the hero, Mohan to the top.
His talent was never in question. The first time I listened to fusion music ( Carnatic and Western) was Raja's violin solo in Raja Parvai. It was not just the tunes but the use of instruments and the orchestral arrangement. None can match Raja's prolificacy at his peak. There would be nearly eight to ten releases on Diwali or Pongal in the 80s and sometimes all the films had music by Raja. So as D-day neared, there would be a clamour for Raja's dates for re-recording.
He was the first music director whose name on the title card evoked applause. He was also given pride of place in the hoardings. Kamal Hassan would insist on Raja and directors like Balu Mahendra and Bharathi Raja swore by him.
What is it that sets him apart? I believe that the real test for a music director is not a tune, but the background score. In this department, Raja is non-pariel. He has enhanced many an ordinary scene with his score. Sometimes his use of silence is stunning.
You will realise Raja's genius only if you have watched him in the re-recording room. At his peak, I had to use the influence of his mentor, G K Venkatesh for an interview. At Prasad Studios, Raja first asked me to watch him work.
The theatre darkened and a reel with only the talkie portion was shown. Just one viewing and Raja started scribbling musical notes in a book. In a few minutes, the musicians crowded around him for directions. One rehearsal and the take was okayed. With just one viewing, Raja had imbibed not only the mood of the scene but also the timing of his score to the second.
So when did the slide start? Why is the industry shunning him today? Rahman's rise had nothing to do with Raja's downfall. It is just as if Raja suddenly suffered from creative constipation. His tune bank was overdrawn and the torrent of musical notes had been reduced to a drizzle. The saddest sight is a genius groping in his vocation.
Industry hawks who thought he was arrogant pounced on him and started highlighting his negative attributes. Failure is fatal in the film firmament.
Rahman, for all his talent should thank Raja for his entry into films. It is only because Mani Ratnam and Raja had some disagreement during Dalapathi that Mani started hunting for an alternative. Rahman has succeeded in changing the "sound" of music. There is no doubt about his talent, but there is something synthetic about the sound, however crisp and sharp. And he has a long way to go in the background score department. A music director who takes refuge in his tunes for the background score is shirking and is someone who cannot create a theme.
It is all a cycle. Rahman did to Raja what Raja did to M S Vishwanathan. Meanwhile, Raja is not too old. All he needs is the trust and inspiration of talents like Mani and Kamal. Till then, we will listen to the avalanche of lilting tunes from the 80s.
--S Shiva Kumar
- From: Raguvaran (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Thu Oct 4 06:48:07 EDT 2001
>>The message I got from the interview is that IR personally laid himself as the stumbling block to AVRs success???.... Now even if u hate IR.. Would u really say that its possible especially when we have so many MDs competing for their fair share? And to top, that no one would have forgotten the drift between SPB and IR and during the early 90s. And yet SPB was still singing in the industry while IR was actively encouraging mano. The point is even if you have fallen ill of someone so influential as IR at his time, if you have talent you never cease to exist.
well said man, IR did encourage the good for nothing mano over SPB, but why???, what was his motive, he killed most excellent songs by enabling Mano to sing, who rather than singinig it, butchered excellent tunes of IR!!!
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