Topic started by Udhaya (@ host16.globalcenter.net) on Sat Jun 20 14:02:54 EDT 1998.
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This topic is derived from the exciting debate that began in the "Why no female MDs?" thread. Mano and I say yes to the Patti Mandram question while Ramki came out with a No response and gave more examples to back up his claim. The key is to show evidence from TFM as facts for your contention.

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• From: Kanchana (@ 206.246.233.2) on: Mon Jun 29 17:07:09 EDT 1998
  
  ulai pOl kodhikkum udhayaththukku....
  alai pOl pongi varum idhayaththukku....
  
  Adhi mudhal pala kOdugaL*
  pOttadhu Adavar sattamaiyyA* [*courtesy: VM]
  
  vilaiyillA peNmaikkE
  kalaiyendRa pEril
  vilai vaiththa
  kazhuguk koottam
  verum vArththaikku vilai
  vaippadhil vindhaiyEdhu sollumayyA
  
  nAlum therindhavar neer
  mElum nAn eduththuraiththal vizhal neer!
  
  [pi.ku. peNmaiyai uNmaiyAip pOtRum ungaLukku en paNivAna vaNakkangaL.]
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Jun 30 14:10:20 EDT 1998
  
  I have already made my point, but hadn't given enough examples. Here
  are some more examples to reiterate my earlier claims.
  
  The following is another example of the female seen as the
  enticing feast:
  inbamaay ennai maatravaa unnaiyae vandhu ootravaa
  madhu boadhai vaendumaa idhazh boadhai nalladhu
  un paeraich cholgiraen adhil boadhai ulladhu
  parugavae varugavae
  
  
  In this song, the woman sings that her body and soul are her lover's
  property:
  choalikkul thaegam irukku
  maaraappil manasu irukku
  rendukkum uriyavan endhan kaadhalan kaadhalan
  (engae purchase order?)
  
  
  Adhae paadalil pennin ganniyathai maelum eduthuk koorugiraar irattai
  kal, idhil iru pen kuralgal vaeru:
  Kaelvi: Paavaadai kaatril parandhaal nee enna seivaai? Pala paerin
  kangal padumae nee enna seivaai?
  Badhil: Paavaadai kaatril parandhaal pala paerin kangal pattaal,
  paavaadai kondu mugathai mooduvaen mooduvaen (aaha, enna oru idea!)
  
  
  Aval varuvaala endru aengiyaa kaadhalan etharkaaga aengukiraan indru
  vilakkugiraar VM:
  en pallamaana ullam vellamaaga aval varuvaalaa
  kannoadu naan kanda vannangal poaga
  chudidhaaril moodaadha baagangal vaazhga
  
  
  Innumoru kaadhalan aadharavu marundhu tharum akkaraiyudan:
  ennammaa ennammaa undhan
  nenjil ulla vali enna ennammaa
  sollammaa sollammaa adhaith
  thottuth thottuth thudaikkanum sollammaa (Chae, enna oru akkarai thambikku)
  
  
  Bharathi kanda pudhumaippen kooda ithanai azhagaaga thanathu kaadhalai
  kooriyadhillai:
  en mundhaanaikkul nee vasikkalaam
  evar kandaar adhai evar kandaar
  maalai vandhu saerumunnae
  pillai varalaam evar kandaar
  aththu meera ninaikkaadhae
  kuththi viduvaen evar kandaar
  (Pengalin thaevaigalaiyum avargalin tharkaappin mukkiyathaiyum valiyuruthum paadal idhu endru ninaikkiraen)
  
  
  
• From: Tester (@ 206.246.233.2) on: Mon Jul 6 12:27:54 EDT 1998
  
  First post,testing
  
  
• From: Sridhar (@ spider-te084.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Jul 6 13:20:18 EDT 1998
  
  To Mrs.Kanchana:
  Your presentation stood apart in terms of its depth,balance & creativity. I agree totally with your point that VM is part of a chauvinistic system; as a lyricist, he has minimal control over the "content/tone/mood" set by the director.
  Since I don't have your e-mail ID I'd like to say the following to you here, hope you don't mind. I've followed your DF posting for the past several months. I'm impressed with your liberated thinking,knowledge of diverse subjects such as lyrics, western classical,jazz,tamil literature,TFM history, and the patience to share these with your fellow DFers. As a Bharadhi fan and a writer myself, I see his pudhumaippenn in your progressive ideals,knowledge and gentle assertiveness. You are a class act,ma'am, and I hope we get to read more of your vibrant writings here.
  One of your DF fans,
  Sridhar
  
  
• From: Sridhar (@ spider-tp021.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Jul 6 18:04:20 EDT 1998
  
  To Mrs. Kanchana: Forgot to type in my e-mail ID.
  
  
• From: Vinoth (@ ) on: Sat Jun 23 11:27:08 EDT 2001
  
  Hi,
  
  I am strongly against the topic which is going on at present " vairamuthu as chanvenist". I like to mention something that have u ever seen vairamuthu in his books depcting girls in a ackward way. I t might have happened in films because it is for commercial purpose and mind u in some cases we have to compramise on certain things as cinema until now is not a single man show. Further even the great kannadhasan was forced to write some songs depcting females in little bit downward fashion. i can give the example of " elantha pazham" song in one of super duper movie. So it all in the game and there is no point in
  
  
  
• From: venksubbi (@ 63.15.63.198) on: Sat Jun 23 21:30:59 EDT 2001
  
  Vairamuthu in his real life has been reported to beat his wife on a number of occasions...If that is tue, he is not only a chavunist but definetely someone who should not be respected
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 63.89.188.168) on: Mon Jun 25 13:14:56 EDT 2001
  
  Vinoth,
  Why wake up a dead horse to show your objection? This thread went dead three years ago. And after reading your post, I don't know what your objection is.
  
  venksubbi,
  Unless there is published proof of your claims, please don't use slander in a public forum to establish your views.
  
  
• From: venksubbi (@ 208.28.2.2) on: Mon Jun 25 17:21:40 EDT 2001
  
  Udhaya:
  
  There were published reports of these incidents in tamil magazines like Kumudham and Ananda Vikatan in the late '80s (about 88-89) time period.
  
  
• From: M (@ 144.49.154.94) on: Mon Jun 25 18:20:56 EDT 2001
  
  Read Vikatan Dated on Jan. 07, 2001. VM and His wife are best ever couple in cine field.
  
  
• From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189) on: Mon Jun 25 23:27:03 EDT 2001
  
  I agree with Udhaya. VM may be loud mouthed but can't agree he is chavunist. I don't like him personally but his lyrics are far better compared to the present generation poets.
  
  If at all the songs sound chavunist, it may be because of the situation and the director should take the responsibility for that not the lyricist.
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.115) on: Mon Jun 25 23:56:21 EDT 2001
  
  Yezu Manniku Mela Neeum Inpa Latchumi - This line explains well about VM.
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Tue Jun 26 01:11:32 EDT 2001
  
  vm is just a 'ezhuththuu viyabari'. he is having all the things a customer would like to have.
  
  he is like a fluid which acquires the shape of the container.
  
  anbudan
  mahabs
  
  
• From: roja@yahoo.com (@ ) on: Fri May 28 19:30:15 EDT 2004
  
  I feel you should remove the article on VM doing wrong things to his wife,it is wrong to say about him. It spoils his image,he work very hard to be in his place. Thank you.
  
  

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