Topic started by g mauruthi (@ 18.104.22.168) on Wed Aug 22 14:21:08 EDT 2001.
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I hope New MD like ARR who is innovative will Come ( not ARR style necessarily ), but new good styles. ( not METAL )
- From: cosmician (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Thu Aug 23 15:56:46 EDT 2001
Quite Scary prospects right..Maruthi ?
Quite possible dont you think...we have a decent adaptation of Western pop with ARR...what guarantee is there that with more westernization of people's tastes..TFM will not slip into metal ?
- From: Bharath (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Thu Aug 23 17:13:13 EDT 2001
1990 and 2000! what was the difference!
Agreed ARR changed something significant. But we still have carnautic and Tamil folk doing its rounds although its mixed with "western" sounds.
So i dont expect much change. maybe SUnTv and the liikes will give way to music videos and thereby leading to the forking of music and cinema slowly.
- From: Udhaya (@ 188.8.131.52)
The future is all one can hope for. Here are my hopes:
Future of TFM in 10 years:
-India’s first Thamizh prime minister will order a Thamizh fatwa on Northie singers moonlighting in TFM as well as homegrown evils like Vasundra Das leading to their branded tongues with red-hot forks
-Vairamuthu will get a reverse enema in the form of a lit firecracker that will magically disengage him from his algorithm format and English word usage
-Ilayaraja will get divinely inspired to treat TFM as he has been treating Malayalam soundtracks and give one spellbinding track after another
-Ilayaraja will also hearken to his early style of elaborate compositions with varying interludes and re-remember how to use guitar, horns, veenai and other instruments that he neglected since the mid-80s
-Ilayaraja will stop blaming the world for lack of recognition and stop moping about others lacking the class to appreciate his genius and begin providing the true feast he promised his fans instead of the “appalam and oorugai” he confessed to be giving us
-All the religious heads will summon Ilayaraja to measure up to his past greatness instead of lying on his laurels like a spoiled child. They will reprimand him for equating spirituality with a lack of excitement in one’s own work
-Vaali will stick to writing honorable free verse epics and articles for print and quit being the self-proclaimed dog-for-money that he is in song lyrics
-Following Thamarai’s success, distributors will demand female writers and this epidemic will spread so widely that women attain a permanent place as lyricists
-The above trend will be justly followed by female MDs and directors
-ARR will get into a Sufi trance and realize that Thamizh is sacred and will up*hold the correct pronunciation of Thamizh with a handy whip blessed by a Muslim prophet
-The fad of rhythm-oriented music fades and melody regains its rightful place on top
-Private albums will make a great impact on the music scene and affect the way soundtracks are made. Many different groups will be featured under one soundtrack like western movie soundtracks
-The world music scene will recognize Indian music’s richness and will shower riches on all the local musicians
-Every genre of music will survive and triumph on its own merit rendering copies irrelevant and forcing Deva, SAR, and Sirpi to oblivion or original work
-Unni Menon and Srinivas will get their deserved recognition
-Shankar Mahadevan will have long outgrown being typecast for high-pitched, high-strung songs and will display his immense potential as a musician and singer
-SPB will gracefully hang up his acting and other peripheral gigs and focus on making his unique music by becoming a full-fledged MD
-ARR will focus on the quality of new talent he introduces rather than the quantity
-Vidhyasagar, Philip and Jerry, and Agosh will all have established themselves with market potential so as to revitalize TFM with new ideas and pave the way for a mob of talented newcomers
-A revisionist trend will sweep TFM and works by past MDs and singers will be digitally re-mastered and preserved forever allowing for a greater scrutiny and appreciation
- From: G MAURUTHI (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Fri Aug 24 14:33:33 EDT 2001
I think THAT COMPUTERS WILL BE PUTTING MUSIC ON DEMAND AND WILL ALSO BE WRITING THE LYRICS.
THRU ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE - A PROGRAM WAS WRITTEN WHICH COULD PRODUCE MEANINGFUL STORIES OUT OF SMALL PHRASES.
AS FOR MUSIC, I AM WORKING ON THE SOFTWARE. HOPE TO SEE IT SOON.
- From: Trend (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Fri Aug 24 15:04:05 EDT 2001
That was a optimistic prediction and I hope it happens.
And also do you think there would be better movies which expects music to enhance the reality of the film?
You didn't mention anything about KR,YSR and Bhavadharini?!
- From: NCR (@ 18.104.22.168)
There wont be any music directors at all. Just computers.
The directors/sound engineers feeds the situation, gets different sounds for that, finalises one, gets the combination of lyrics for the sounds, finalises one, song is ready within an hour or so.
Singers come and sing in the track, Sound engineer mixes them later. Like fast food, fast songs, fast BGM's.
No delay unlike the current MD's taking to complete one song.
- From: Udhaya (@ 22.214.171.124)
on: Fri Aug 24 16:00:16 EDT 2001
You didn't mention anything about KR,YSR and Bhavadharini?!
I'm a huge fan of selected works by YSR and two songs from Ullaasam by KR. Regards their future, I can't imagine what they'll do. I hope they maintain their enthusiasm and quest for innovation.
Bhavadharini, I'm sure she's a nice lady, can't say much else.
- From: g mauruthi (@ 126.96.36.199)
on: Sat Aug 25 02:16:13 EDT 2001
In 10 years, there will be no films with boring music. Now a days 10 out of every 11 movies releaed have unlistenable music.
We will be having lots of variety of MUSIC to hear from.
One more thing that will come is that HUMANS will develop a Seventh Sense or will make an Artificial Seventh Sense which can be used in Movies like the Optical or Auditory Sense.
- From: cosmician (@ 188.8.131.52)
on: Sat Aug 25 03:35:15 EDT 2001
Please translate your above article into Tamil and send it to good Tamil mags...it is really good and should reach a wider audience :)
I'd like details about the software you are working on..u can mail me if u dont want to spk about it openly
- From: fan (@ 184.108.40.206)
on: Sat Aug 25 09:58:00 EDT 2001
i think in 10 years, tfm will come out from the deep pit it has fallen. melody should regain and prose songs must go and poetical might come
- From: Neel D (@ 220.127.116.11)
on: Sat Aug 25 11:13:06 EDT 2001
10 years from now if the looney Udit Narayan was still singing in TFM, I will stop listening to TFM forever.
- From: rf (@ 18.104.22.168)
on: Sun Aug 26 02:12:20 EDT 2001
some forum on october second week or so in Michigan. anyone around might like to attend!
Bollywood and Beyond
South Asian Film and Popular Culture 2001-2002
The South Asian Film and Popular Culture series for the academic year 2001-2002 is a collaborative effort by the University of Michigan (Center for South Asian Studies, Center for World Performance Studies and several other academic departments), Eastern Michigan University, Washtenaw Community College and potentially the Michigan Theatre, bringing together the K14 and higher education community in Ann Arbor.
The goal of the series is to publicize and educate the South East Michigan community about South Asia using the media of popular feature films from the region. The South Asian feature film and entertainment industry is the largest in the world, producing more films than Hollywood every year. Based in Bombay, India, this industry is popularly known as Bollywood.In comparison to art and documentary films, popular feature films have been undervalued and underrated.Popular feature films from South Asia are a telling window into the sociological, anthropological, political and psychological aspects of South Asian culture.These films are expressions of artists who are in tune with the vibrancy and complexity of contemporary South Asian society, demonstrated by the overwhelming commercial success of these films.This series aims to highlight and celebrate this genre of popular feature films both as entertainment and as media for teaching about popular culture.
The desired outcome of the film series is fourfold. The first is outreach to the larger South Eastern Michigan residential, business, educational and South Asian ethnic communities. All the films selected for the series possess a common language of global appeal and have been commercial successes internationally. South East Michigan has the largest population of South Asians outside Chicago in the Midwest, with huge immigrant communities of Indians and Pakistanis (Canton and Troy), Bangladeshi (HamTramck) and a significant south Asian educational community in Ann Arbor.This film series has already been received with great interest by these local communities who will come out in large numbers to see popular feature films from their ethnic regions. In order to facilitate this, the films are scheduled to be shown on Sunday afternoons. The second outcome is academic- a total of 7 courses for credit on South Asian Studies will be taught around the themes/films shown in this series in UM, EMU and WCC, next academic year. The third outcome of this series will be curriculum development around South Asia using the media of popular film.This is a requirement of a TitleVI, International Education Programs grant from the Department of Education, Washington D.C, to the Center for South Asian Studies at UM (a National Resource Center on South Asia), that provided the seed funding for the series. The set of 7 courses to be built and taught by faculty around this series will result in curriculum development for K14 and above on South Asia. Plans are underway to launch these courses online as distance education. The fourth and final outcome is to interest the local educational and public community and Bollywood into supporting an “Annual Ann Arbor “Bollywood and Beyond” film festival”. Potential spin offs from such an investment could be a South Asian Film Chair at UM, exchange of student interns between Bollywood and local sponsoring educational institutions.
List of Themes and Films-
Theme 1-“ The Masala film formula”.
Sunday, 2-5 p.m-09/ 16/01-“Sathya”- a Bollywood blockbuster on the underworld directed by Ram Gopal Verma is a 1998 film. It won 6 awards at the 1999 Film Fare Awards including best film (critic’s choice), best actor and best actress.
Sunday, 2-5p.m- 09/23/01- “Fiza” – a Bollywood blockbuster written and directed by Khalid Mohammed is a 2000 film. It has received 6 nominations each in the 2001 Film Fare awards and Videocon awards and won best actress and supporting actress in the Film Fare awards for 2001.
Monday, 09/24/01-Inaugaural keynote address by Khalid Mohammed? (Bollywood film producer, director, screenplay writer, critic and film magazine editor.) Launch of the
Monday, 09/24/01, 6.30-9 pm -Panel discussion on the first theme involving 4 panelists and one respondent-ideally a combination of one film maker, and 3 scholars. Potential candidates are Vandana Baweja on “Architecture and the masala film formula”, Khalid Mohammed (Bollywood) –“star culture and the film magazine”, Tejaswini Ganti (Haverford/Bryn Mawr) “better Audiences-better films”, Philip Lutgendorf (Univ. of Iowa)-“the formula film and commercial success”.
Theme 2-Music in South Asian Film.
Sunday, 2-5pm- 10/7/01-“Sagara Sangamam”- A film featuring the music of the prolific South Indian film composer, Ilayaraja. He has won two national film awards in India for music score and is the first Asian composer invited by the Royal Philharmonic orchestra to compose a symphony.
Sunday, 2-5 pm – 10/14/01- “Abhimaan”- A Bollywood film that became famous primarily because of Lata Mangeshkar’s songs. She is a playback singer who is the most recorded voice in human history and received the “Bharat Ratna”, India’s highest civilian award for the year 2000-2001.
Monday, 7-9pm- 10/15/01- Panel discussion– 3 panelists and one respondent. Definite panelist- Theodore Baskaran, a South Indian film scholar. Other potential panelists are Subhash Jha (Bollywood film critic)- specialist on Lata Mangeshkar; Philip Lutgendorf, Corey Creekmur (Univ. of Iowa), Neepa Majumdar-(Univ. of Indiana).The last three are working on the neglect ofIndian film music in scholarship.
Theme 3-Nationalism and South Asian Film.
Sunday, 2-5pm –10/28/01- “Bharathi”- a biographical Tamil film on the nationalist Indian poet Bharathiaar directed by Gnana Rajasekharan was released in the year 2000. A critically acclaimed film, it has done well at the box office too.
Sunday, 2-5 p.m-11/04/01- “Jinnah”- a biographical film on the founding leader of Pakistan, has been made by Akbar Ahmed and Jamil Dehlavi. A 1998 film, it has won the Golden PyramidAward at the Cairo International Film festival,1998.
Monday, 7-9 pm- 11/05/01-Panel discussion – Panelists are Theodore Baskaran, David Gilmartin (University of N.Carolina) and Sumathi Ramaswamy(Univ. of Michigan.) Respondent to be selected.
Theme 4 – South Asian Film and urban culture.
Sunday, 2-5pm – 12/02/01- “Bombay Boys”-A 1998 Kaizad Ustad film, it tries to present life in the metropolis of Bombay as it is. The film was nominated for best feature Film at the Verzaubert, International gay and lesbian Film festival in 1999.
Sunday, 2-5 pm- 12/09/01-“Split Wide Open”- A 1999 film by Dev Benegal, pits the new India of mobile phones, fancy cars and a growing middle class against the better known India of impoverished and exploited street urchins. It won the Best Asian Actor and Special Jury Prize and was nominated for best Asian feature Film in the 2000, Singapore International Film Festival.
Monday, 7-9pm- 12/10/01- Panel discussion- Panelists to be selected. Potential candidates are Rahul Bose ( Bollywood actor) who has acted in both films in this theme; Philip Lutgendorf (Univ. of Iowa.)
Second Semester, January-May 2002
Theme 5- South Asian Film and Globalization.
Sunday, 2-5 pm- 1/20/02-The Cup- A 1999 film by Khysente Norbu is Bhutan’s first globally popular film. A Bhutanese/Australian production, the film was nominated for the Five Continents Award (best non- European film) in the 1999 European Film Awards.
Sunday, 2-5p.m- 01/27/02- “film to be finalized by 06/01.” A Bollywood formula film that has become a commercial blockbuster in Korea /Japan /East Africa /Austria will be selected.
Monday, 7-9 pm- 01/28/02 – Panel Discussion – Panelists to be selected. Potential candidates are Khysente Norbu, filmmaker of“The Cup”, Ashis Nandy (CSDS, India), and Awam Aampka- on “Bollywood crossing borders into African cinema”.
Theme 6- Lifecycle and Gender in South Asian Film.
Sunday, 2-5pm – 02/10/02-“Caravan”- A Nepali/Canadian/French joint venture directed by Eric Valli, this 1999 film was the 2000 Oscar nominee for Best Foreign Feature Film and winner ofthe 2000 Cesar Awards(France) for Cinematography and Music in film. This film is about endurance and coming of age on the salt trade routes in Nepal.
Sunday, 2-5pm- 02/17/02-“Pura Handa Kaluwara”-A 1999 film by Prasanna
Vithanage focusing on the Sri Lankan and Buddhist perspective on the ethnic war. This film, banned in Sri Lanka has won Best Asian Actor and Nominated for Best Asian Feature Film in the 1999 Singapore International Film Festival. It has also won the FIPRESCI award for cinematography in the 1999 Fribourg International Film Festival.
Monday, 7-9 pm- 02/18/02-Panel discussion – This panel is hosted at EMU. Potential candidates are Prasanna Vithanage, director of the Sri Lankan film; Abby Stewart (Chair of Women’s Studies in UM)-research work on lifecycle and Gender; Poonam Arora (Chair of Women’s Studies and South Asian film studies specialist); Margot Duley (Chair of Women’s Studies at EMU); Sumi Kailasapatti (Women’s studies at EMU)-also teaching a course on this theme; Ram Mahalingam (Faculty in Cultural Cognition, Psychology, UM)
Theme 7- The Artist as Film Maker
Sunday, 2-5 pm- 03/10/02-“film to be selected by 06/01”
Sunday, 2-5 p.m- 03/17/02 -“Gaja Gamini”- A painting on celluloid, this 2000 film is India’s most prolific artist/painter M.F.Husain’s debut in film, dealing with his longstanding artistic attempts to portray the essence of woman.
Monday, 7-9 p.m - 3/18/01 – Panel Discussion- panelists to be selected. A potential candidate for the panel discussion is M.F.Husain, producer of Gaja Gamini. A print exhibition of M.F.Husain will be on simultaneously.
Theme 8- South Asian Film and the Diaspora.
Sunday, 2-5p.m – 03/24/01- “Hyderabad Blues”- a 1998 film by Nagesh Kukunoor , shot in 17days and an extremely low budget, is about an NRI returning to India and his relationship with his home country.
Sunday, 2-5p.m –03/ 31/01- “East is East”- A 1999 film by Damien O’Donnell about the Pakistani diaspora in England, this popular film has received awards and nominations from more than 8 international film festivals including Best British Film in the 2000 British Academy Awards.
Monday, 7-9 pm- 04/01/02 –Panel discussion- Panelists to be finalized. Potential candidates are Nagesh Kukunoor (film maker), Ayub Khan Din (writer and screenplay of “East is East), Bhakirathi Mani (Stanford), Raminder Kaur (England), Shoma Munshi(University of Amsterdam)- “Enabling the NRI to Return”, Ram Mahalingam (Psychology,UM)
Eastern Michigan University
Instructor : HUM 140 “Films of the Indian Subcontinent”
Washtenaw Community College, Fall 2001
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