RAJNI - ARR ODD ?

Topic started by NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on Mon Sep 7 09:41:46 EDT 1998.
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hai all.,
a news from last week Kalki says that ARR is not fully satisfied with his decision of making music to rajni's next film - 'padayappa'. I think he is right. i won't say that the music of 'Muthu' was so good as far as ARR is concerned., what do u think. why rajni has avoided IR & has choosen ARR>what is ur comment about Muthu Music ?

Responses:

From: ARRin Rasigan (@ 202.54.33.221) on: Mon Sep 7 12:16:47 EDT 1998

Hi,
With Rajni's entry to politics(not quite) ,I think as from Arunachalam, the film projected him as God and Supreme.I feel ARR wants to do films that may suit him rather than composing songs with lyrics comparing the hero to GOD.Also Muthu's score was not good enough by ARR standards.also the standard formula for Rajni film songs is One title song,1 sorrow song and a couple of duets(This is seen in Arunachalam,Muthu ,Badsha,Yejaman,Annamalai)
From: Who is Who in Tamilnadu! (@ chcgb202-31.splitrock.net) on: Mon Sep 7 13:01:17 EDT 1998

Since Rajini is now really a demi-god, therefore the expectations from ARR will be be very high. ARR would have to be competent enough to be like MSV in Ulagum Suttrum Valiban (for MGR) to be accepted as a real support for Rajini. This is a litmus test of ARR's actual comptency, no conning anyone around this time!
From: Murali Sankar (@ l-1d29-12.me.sc.edu) on: Mon Sep 7 17:14:13 EDT 1998

Dear ARR Rasiga,

I agree that there is a standard formula for the Rajni films. but I am not convinced with your explanation that ARR wants to compose only for films with substance (I think you you mean only this by standards). Take Rangeela,love-birds,Mr.Romeo,Pudhiyamugam. All of these had filthy story lines. The last one had Revathi and music as plus points and that's all. These are all good (bad!) examples to show that ARR is no choosy composer. For Rangeela he was paid toooo.. great an amount. In fact it is more difficult to work with Kamal than with Rajni. The former has a good knowledge in the music and hence shall poke his nose in order to keep the quality up. When Rajni was with IR, the latter used to care for each of the musical aspects and nobody ever wanted to cast their opinion as things would come perfect. Probably ARR is being influenced too much that he fears he may lose his original(?) style of composing. for eg. The thillana thillana from Muthu was a real garbage.
From: yvs mani (@ hub.nic.in) on: Tue Sep 8 01:32:22 EDT 1998

ARR will be cursed by Rajini fans if his music does not satisfy his fans.for example, what happened to S.P.Muthuraman for the film Pandiyan?May be think because of these things he might have felt.Compared to annamalai, batsha or arunachalam, I think , apart from "oruvan oruvan muthalali" and "thillana..", nothing was a major hit from muthu. (may be some may like "Vidukathaiya").
From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Tue Sep 8 03:02:01 EDT 1998

A Rajini film is a rehash of some old movies... hmm.. Prob. thats the reason dEvA's music works well for him. ;-).
From: sam (@ ecarh800.nortel.com) on: Tue Sep 8 16:12:27 EDT 1998

Muthu songs were very good, remember Kulu Vaiyilae?, it was a big hit, and Oruvan Oruvan was an exact fit for Rajni, also the thilanna song was excellent, I don't know about the sad song, it was too slow .... gut other wise it was a good album.
The problem ARR had with Rajni's directors are that they did not use the songs properly, for example the Kokku Saiva Kokku song was wasted in Muthu, Rajni films usually do not give importance (lately) to music, and obviously padaiyappa is going to be a political one,

thanks for reading.....
From: junior (@ 194.170.2.7) on: Thu Sep 10 05:08:39 EDT 1998

II would say that what rajni got for his introduction part( the bgm ) and the song is most probably the best so far. I hope this is going to be bettered in padayappa!
From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Sep 10 23:51:26 EDT 1998

..............by deva,right.
From: sunthar (@ tl-79-127.tm.net.my) on: Sat Sep 12 09:05:18 EDT 1998

rajini is king in acting!arr is lion in music!when the two men work together, the movie will be like a storm!the best movie will be arriving soon.wait and see
From: yenna sir (@ chcgb110-14.splitrock.net) on: Sat Sep 12 14:53:23 EDT 1998

mr. sunthar

we heard the storm in muthu!
From: madhu (@ 207.15.187.10) on: Sat Sep 12 21:19:21 EDT 1998

I dont understand why people are complaining about just three songs in Muthu being hits. Three superhit songs in a movie is more than what you can ask for?. Oruvan Oruvan mudalalil.. is probably the best intro' song Rajini has had.
I think this combo will come out trumps again....
From: Senthil.P & Balu (@ m49.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Sun Sep 13 04:22:01 EDT 1998

Hai,

In Super Star's next film 'Padayappa' , I hope ARR's music w'd be very good. Because he is in very good form after releasing some hit albums like 'vande madram'. I hope the reason behind the film music 'Muthu' was tuned by ARR, while he was in lack of knowledge of Rajni's past film styles. But I guess this would not be happen again.
But only thing I like to say Mr. ARR, He wouldn't refuse Rajni's film, while he is doing lot of hindi films. He would not forget Tamil Field which gave him a grand opening.

Also I don't know why Rajni selects the name 'padayappa'?
From: bit (@ gatekeeper.wipsys.soft.net) on: Sun Sep 13 08:41:15 EDT 1998

first of all the topic for all these responses are based on a report from some mag. (validity ??)

Who says ARR does music (be it for any hero / director or producer ) with satisfaction. else he would not be in the indian/ asian top. SO its waste of argument to discuss any further about this. Even deva or Anu malik also would does composing/copying with full satisfaction.

so ARR, a geniune music composer would do his best for any one. (be it RAJINI / Manirathnam / or even of senthi -goundamani pair :-)
From: bit (@ gatekeeper.wipsys.soft.net) on: Sun Sep 13 08:53:17 EDT 1998

Correction:
in the above passage KINDLY read as:
Who says ARR does music (be it for any hero / director or producer ) with OUT satisfaction ....

sorry for that typing error.
From: junior (@ 194.170.2.7) on: Sun Sep 13 10:53:13 EDT 1998

I just wanna ask this: Don't you guys think the best inro music got for rajni was in muthu?
From: Sharma (@ 202.54.6.238) on: Sun Sep 13 14:34:04 EDT 1998

Dear Guys,

You all have forgotten one thing--

ARR has really taken Rajni for a ride. IR had right from the start kept Rajni's movies in good stead by giving extraordinary songs. But after Deva and ARR took up, my God - Rajni himself lost his ground and his films started to 'crumble'.

Sharma
From: Hrishi (@ 202.54.33.210) on: Sun Sep 13 23:35:11 EDT 1998

Hi Senthil.P & Balu,
Rajni chose the name "Padayappa" becos it denotes Lord Murugan who has "Aaru Padai Veedugal".Rahman's intro in Muthu was so outstanding that it has not only been copied in "Major Saab" by Anand Raj Anand but also used in soooooo many Ads.
From: Krishnakumar (@ banjo.cs.iitm.ernet.in) on: Mon Sep 14 01:47:19 EDT 1998

Its called 'GIRI' now. not padayappa.
From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Sep 14 04:18:51 EDT 1998

hrishi,
u'd be very disappointed to know that the introductory piece itself is a copy from the BGM of an Eric Mancina (MD) movie.
That piece was used bfore in Thiruda thiruda also.

In a way it was a good intro for rajni as most of his movies are "ULTA"s of some hindi movies (like badhsha from HUM )
From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Mon Sep 14 15:51:52 EDT 1998

krishnakumar, can u elaborate on it? where did u get that info?? is the news put up on some site?? giri sure seems to be a typical rajni film name!!!
regarding all the talk that muthu piece suited rajni the most, IMHO the best piece for rajni was and will be "podhuvaaga en manasu thangam" from murattu kaaLai.
shankar:what is that mancina movie??i also seem to remember hearing the muthu piece in some movie.
From: A Fan (@ chcgb110-02.splitrock.net) on: Mon Sep 14 19:35:30 EDT 1998

Shankar, Balaji. great said, ARR's intro to muthu is no comparison to our muratukkalai song when in pongal 1983 all tamilnadu stood still because of that ultimate composisun that songs should yapply to IR.
From: balaji (@ nt43.cs.uiuc.edu) on: Mon Sep 14 22:46:50 EDT 1998

A Fan: very true. that song single handedly catapulted rajini to stardom. also, it showed how much malaysia vasudevan's voice suited rajini, unlike Udit Narayan!!!
From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Tue Sep 15 06:48:42 EDT 1998

Even now, when muthu was released there was a great applause when "poduvAga em manasu thangam " comes in one of the scenes.
This is called longevity of a number. U'll taken back in time when u listened to that song in muthu.

balaji,
I really don't know the movie name.(i would have been glad i had known ;-)) )

see the movie "chariots of fire".There's one more case to prove ARR's copying.
From: Ram Kumar (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Tue Sep 15 10:09:54 EDT 1998

Hi !

I too read in one tamil weekly magazine that Rajni's next movie is titled GIRI which means mountain in sanskrit. ( Rajni's strong affinity to the himalayan mountain ranges is a known fact).
Sorry to have missed the name of the magazine. But it was atleast some one month back.

By the way, the BGM of "Thiruda Thiruda" is still lingering in my ears.. the main piece that comes when that container travels from place to place... MUTHU-rajini intro music is almost a repeat of that piece. I could find no significant difference between them.

thanks.
From: balaji (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Tue Sep 15 16:09:14 EDT 1998

ram kumar: does giri stand for himalayas or for
thiruvannamalai??
From: Ram Kumar (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Wed Sep 16 10:33:00 EDT 1998

balaji,

it just means MOUNTAIN in general.. not specifically himalayas or thiruvannaamalai..

thanks
From: Ram Kumar (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Wed Sep 16 11:07:35 EDT 1998

Balaji,

It just means MOUNTAIN, in general. not specifically himalayas or thiruvannaamalai.

thanks.
From: balaji (@ sparc40.cs.uiuc.edu) on: Wed Sep 16 15:21:50 EDT 1998

ramkumar: i know that giri means mountain, i was trying to find out after which mountain has rajini named the film.
From: ABDUL SATTAR (@ ) on: Thu Nov 18 09:24:02 EST 1999

I THINK ARR HAS TO PRACTICE AS LONG AS HE CAN FOR RAJINI and fullfill his fans if he cannot make then he is fit for nothing sorry arrrrrrr
From: SSFan (@ espresso.cc.iastate.edu) on: Sat Nov 20 20:30:21 EST 1999

If ARR's music is no good for Rajni, better ARR works on his music and improve it !!

What do you say guys.. A real composer is one who can satisy a wide cross section of audience. Being Versatile and ADAPTIBLE is the key. Thalaivar Vaazhga !!
From: bala (@ webserver.testchip.com) on: Wed Nov 24 17:29:06 EST 1999

Hi
I wonder how many of you know what VERSATILE and ADAPTIBLE mean? Listen to Kadhalan, Indian, Taal Rangeela and then listen to Bombay, Roja, Dil Se and then further to Sangamam and Earth. If you don't notice the versatility that this man has, then I am sorry, you should maybe consider looking up the dictionary before you use terms like that.
Music of the sort that you are refering to for a rajni film is not indicative of versatility. Pleeease! someone singing "naan daan autodriver" or some such nonsense with a bunch of drums rattling away in the background--such dabbankooth doesn't take a genius. A deva is enough for that, thanks. It doesn't need an ARR. On the other hand, a minsaara kanna or a suthi suthi needs an ARR. Pity you guys think it doesn't fit rajni. I am a great fan of rajni myself. Please don't insult rajni by slotting him with just grand entries with downright pedestrian music. He can use some classy music too and muthu definitely had one of the best openings for any hero that i have heard in oruvan oruvan. It was ROYAL --a fit for rajni or would you rather settle for a deva...

bye
bala
From: kk (@ ) on: Wed Feb 14 04:54:49 EST 2001

Now AR Rahman had proved that he can give another super hit for rajini in Padayappa.

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