BEATS !!! Who gave/gives the best?IR or ARR?

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ host-207-53-1-184.atl.bellsouth.net) on Fri Jul 25 11:55:01 EDT 1997.
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• From: Hee, hee, hee (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Fri Jul 25 21:09:24 EDT 1997
  
  Yaarodu adi sirapaanathaa?
  Inthe kelviyey keittathukaaga ungalukku vara poguthu adi, kaathirungal!
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.136.148) on: Sat Jul 26 05:19:31 EDT 1997
  
  When it comes to beats, IMO, ARR songs have more
  sophisticated beats that IR songs.
  ARR likes a to improvise a lot on rhythm aspect, while
  IR more on the melody.
  
  
• From: NO Valen (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Mon Jul 28 05:24:16 EDT 1997
  
  Is dappangkuthu, themaangu, etc. also considered as beats. If that's so, ARR cannot beat IR in this aspect!
  
  
• From: kumar (@ 148.5.30.79) on: Mon Jul 28 07:07:41 EDT 1997
  
  
  * villakku vaipom vilakku vaipom (athma)
  * Asaya kathula toodu vitu (johny)
  * patukuyilu manasukkula (talapathy)
  * Attama Sadhirattama (C. prabakaran,
  before that interlude with the wild flute
  ARR is no where)
  
  And many more ...
  
  
• From: cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on: Mon Jul 28 17:16:38 EDT 1997
  
  Songs by IR with Beats:
  
  "Aasai athigam vachchu manasa adakki" - Marupadiyum
  
  "Nila adhu vanaththu mele" - Nayagan
  
  Almost all of ARR's songs have beats in the sense that his songs are westernized and thus ought to have beats(I assume that it is drum beats)
  
  
  
• From: Padmanabhan Ganesan (@ client-116-13.bellatlantic.net) on: Mon Jul 28 18:24:15 EDT 1997
  
  IMO
  IR does not concentrate on beats. He concentrates on melody and harmony.
  
  ARR concentrated more on beats and rhythm bcos he is extremely weak in melody. Whenever I listen to his slow songs they all sound the same - listless melody. ARR's rhythms make them catchy on the first hearing itself but I soon grow tired of it.
  
  IR may not to technical wizardry (as ARR supposedly does) but his some of his rhythms are haunting :
  
  Aasaya Kaathule vittu - Johnny
  Kaatukuyilu manasukkulle - Thalapadhi
  Jinjinaakkadi - Vanna vanna pookkal
  Pani Vizhum Malarvanam - Ninaivellam nithya
  Meham Kottatum - Enakkul Oruvan (The concluding drum solo is electrifying !)
  
  IR uses rhythm section only as an accomponiment. - must be related to his penchant for classical music - both carnatic and western.
  
  
  
• From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.8) on: Mon Jul 28 22:32:37 EDT 1997
  
  I assume that the usage of percussion instruments in the rhythm for any song is what is referred to as BEATS!!
  
  True that IR has less pronounced beats while ARR cannot afford to. His beats are confined to four or five types. He is just recycling them. The tail piece beat of 'mukkaabalaa' and beginning beat of 'romeo aattam pOttaal' are same. The interludes of 'gOpaalaa gOpaalaa' and 'maanaa madhurai' (dappaanguththu) are same. The beginning beats of 'maanUththu mandhaiyilE' and 'kuLichchaa kuththaalam' are same.......
  
  But though IR's beats are subtle, they are much more complicated. He rarely uses one single percussion instrument for his beats. In 'ponvaanam pannIr thUvuthu innEram' he uses both Tabla and Mirudhangam together. In 'andhi mazhai' he uses drums and mirudhangam. In 'poonkadhavE' he uses drums, congo drum and mirudhangam. 'enna saththam' has drums and symbals used to a significant extent.
  
  As I alreay mentioned in another thread, the beat of 'ooradangum saamaththilE' from pudhup pattip ponnuththaayi is deadly. You have listen to it to beleive it. 'thOLmElE' from poomaNi also has a very complicated beat.
  
  Analysis of IR's beats is a never ending topic.
  
  BTW, ARR also used drums and mirudhangam in 'mettup pOdu' but the drum beat was so pronounced that the mirudhangam was overshadowed. Forget the picturisation, where KB showed tabla being played whenever the mirudhangam sound was heard.
  
  
• From: curio_grapher (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Tue Jul 29 03:29:35 EDT 1997
  
  Just curious:
  
  MSV has used ONLY (the hawaiian !!) base guitar
  (jinGu jikKu jinGu jikKu) as the base for beat in
  the whole song in "Varavu ettanA selavau paththanA"
  from bamA vijayam - NO percussion instruments such as
  tabla, drums, bangos are used.
  
  Have IR/ARR done/tried something similar ???
  
  
  
• From: NO Valen (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Tue Jul 29 03:58:17 EDT 1997
  
  Ho about the no-musioc instruments song by ARR in Thiruda-Thiruda (I am still suffering from a memory lapse.)
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Tue Jul 29 05:01:29 EDT 1997
  
  Thiruda thiruda "raasaathi" paattai paadiyathu Shahul Hameed.
  
  Minimal usage of percussion-il "poraalE
  ponnuthaayi"(pathos version) sErthu kollalaam.
  
  NO valen, ennaachu.. 'ayyayya yayyayyo maranthu
  pochE' endru kalyaanama raaman style-il
  paada aarambichutteer! Rombavum list poduvathil
  mandayai udaithu kollaatheerayyaa..
  
  
• From: ravi (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Tue Jul 29 08:01:31 EDT 1997
  
  Aravind:
  There is one interlude music in kalluri salai (kadhal desam) song. This piece comes right after the lyrics(?) 'naandhan computer, needhan en kadhal software'. This piece of music is quite catchy. I wonder this has been copied/repeated
  elsewhere.
  
  
• From: Varkey (@ 128.227.80.30) on: Tue Jul 29 17:48:39 EDT 1997
  
  
  ARR just recycles beats of groups like Ace of Base,Dr.Alban & of course the reggae beat as in "chinna chinna asai" and "Mustafa".He has the computer to look for beats but IR comes out great stuff like "Maasi Maasam"(DharmaDurai),"Malaikoyil vasalil"(Veera),"PaniVeezhumIravu"(Mouna Ragam),the list is endless.
  But you got to accept that ARR successfully synchronises western and classical instruments as in "Vaanil Yeni Pottu"(Puthiya Mannargal)& "MaanaMadurai"(Minsaara Kanavu). But IR has also done it way before ARR as in "Andhi Mazhai"(RajaParvai) where I think he has used the drum and mridhangam simultaneously.Any more additions to this list?
  
  
• From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.8) on: Tue Jul 29 23:41:06 EDT 1997
  
  'thIrththak karaiyinilE' from 'va.ni.sivappu' did not have any instrumental music apart from the mild guitar - another gem by MSV & SPB.
  
  There is a song in the movie paattup paadavaa. The herione sings a solo as she jogs throughout the song. I cannot recollect the lyrics clearly. Raja had used only the keyboard for the entire song. Even the beats were from the keyboard.
  
  'paruvamE' from 'nenchaththaik kiLLaathE' has only the jogging sound as beats.
  
  'vandhaaL vandhaaL raajakumaari' from 'o.U.o.raa. kumaari' does not have any beats at all. A drum sounds occasionally but that does not contribute as a beat. Was it a Cello which was used in the background of the song?
  
  BTW, can we include 'mahaa gaNapathi' from sindhu bharavi which had no percussion instrument?
  
  
• From: E.Hariharan (@ amex.proxy.lucent.com) on: Wed Jul 30 17:17:22 EDT 1997
  
  what about 'arubum ???" from the film
  nambirajanin chandraleka. IR used percussinve beats only for a breif period in the end of second interlude, otherwise song does not have any percussinve beat at all.
  
  e.hari
  
  
• From: cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on: Wed Jul 30 17:57:47 EDT 1997
  
  To Aravind:
  The song in Pattu paadava is "poongatrile padhai thorum poothoovuthu .." - excellent song.
  
  Another good song in the movie is "Nil nil nil badhil sol sol".
  
  
• From: Gokul (@ 204.76.131.140) on: Wed Jul 30 20:09:59 EDT 1997
  
  Muthumani Muthumani from Adharmam
  has excellent beats. Raja's use of beats for
  songs like
  
  Naan Paadum Mouna Raagam - IdayaKovil
  
  Eeeramana Rojave - Movie?
  
  are simple and excellent.
  
  
  
• From: pallavaram pakkiri (@ dutyfree.proxy.lucent.com) on: Tue Aug 5 10:52:38 EDT 1997
  
  May be I am going off the track, but the movie Eeeramana rojave had some songs with nice beats. can't remember even one of them. any body remembers any songs from this movie?
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Tue Aug 5 14:31:33 EDT 1997
  
  Songs from eeramaana rojAvE -
  athO mEga oorvalam; vaa vaa anbE poojai undu (2 versions); kalyaana tharagarE; sala salakkum mani Osai; chinna poongaavanam; prob. some more
  Gokul: eeramaana rOjavE is from iLamai kaalangaL. That movie also has songs like paadavanthOr gaanam.
  
  
• From: cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on: Tue Aug 5 14:36:39 EDT 1997
  
  PP:
  Songs I remember from eeramana rojave->
  1)vaa vaa anbey poojai undu
  2)kalakalakkum maniosai
  3)chinna poongavanam chinna brindavanam
  4)adichchachu lucky prize.. kidachchachu lovely wife
  
  another lovely song from this movie - couldn't get it - thondaiyile nikkithu!!!
  
  
• From: cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on: Tue Aug 5 14:39:27 EDT 1997
  
  Ayyo Ravi, ippadi kavuththuteergaLe. Naan dhaan mudhalil ezhudhivitten endru ninaithal?! - Internet sadhi seykiradhu!
  
  Is it salasalakkum maniosai or kalakalakkum maniosai?
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Thu Aug 7 19:28:14 EDT 1997
  
  makkaLe,
  
  intha topic, yArOda adi sirappAnadhu yenRu Arambiththu, yengEyop pOy vitadhu.
  
  I think, MSV gave best congo and bango-s in TFM. Next to MSV is anAmika (thanks
  kALidhAsA). Even IR comes only next.
  
  Coming back to adiyillAdha pattu, that always give be maraNa adi is
  
  yennuLLE yennuLLE from vaLLi. It looks like IR decided that this
  song should be one of career bests (I always found the phrase
  "one of the best" to be an oxymoron) and hence should have
  good percussion and melody. Fortunately for us, he separates the two
  and gives percussion first. Once the guitar starts
  and wooosh goes the
  mridhangam. During the interludes the keyboard and
  violin (key board again?)
  give excellent jugal bandhi-s (are these patti manRams of music?).
  During the vocals, keyboard and flute do the sandai and in the
  end we get knocked out. Strange!!!
  
  
• From: Jose (@ ) on: Sun Sep 24 12:41:59 EDT 2000
  
  Does any bovy know the name for the song with the roots and rahzel with the inspector gadget beats?
  
  
• From: satish (@ 203.197.141.34) on: Tue Mar 23 07:27:02 EST 2004
  
  Don't compare IR with ARR,why because both were legends and creators of Music during their respective periods.During 80's to till 95 IR ruled the industry.He commanded the entire industry.U can only a few films where IR has done badly in a span of 600+ movies.Same is applicable with AR.Still my view AR has to take some years from now in order to be compared with IR
  
  

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